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Dino246 said:
Forgive me for jumping in late... this verse has been rattling around in my head...

2 Peter 1:3 "His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence."

I'm picturing a preacher saying to the congregation, "How much is everything?"...

Okay, jumping out again... :)
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So, is that statement saying, "You have everything, so you don't have to do anything", or "You have everything, so there are expectations to act accordingly"?

Seems like it could go either way. The Bible says "we've been created in Christ Jesus unto good works, that we should walk in them."
 
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Define trust in Christ what does that look like?
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wsblind said:
You and I can NOT describe what that looks like. Only God can.

Didn't you just bring up the verse that we can't judge someone?............But you want to trrryyyyyyyyyy?
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RS91, did you noticed he just sidestepped your question & shut it down at the same time with an "only God can" answer?.

He acts like a regular joe but then he uses college words..... educated, but not in what he says he believes in.

This fella is a fraud, a sockpuppet. He is here to dismantle the truth & erect false doctrine.
 
G777, you & several others on here must be retired, because you're on here day & night.

Then again, maybe you are at work, getting paid to do what you're doing.:)
 
I had a thought.

Mirage faith is the one where you project what you want and believe it is real.
The indication you live in this world, is belief is all it takes, no change, no reality,
no measurement or even a goal.

A mirage faith always discourages finding out what is actually happening in peoples
lives or having any discipline or accountability. And ofcourse it is popular, it costs
nothing and it claims to deliver everything, as long as you pay the group to keep
on soothing you with their charms.

And because it has no real form it can take on any other form to fake it being
the same as any other group but with real freedom. And it appeals to the
disenfranchised and depressed, those who find things too tough, because here
there is understanding and relief for the self condemnation that was their
everyday practice.

And boy is this easy to preach. Everyone else is a lying hypocrite, and only
those who are resting in reality have the real truth, and to disbelieve this truth
is the really the most evil crime you can ever commit.

Now only the elect will truly resist this call, because to them this is a lie, simply
because they are not hypocrites and they are open, victorious, righteous, loving
functional people walking with the Lord.

And this new gospel only works when wealth, security and the world brings such
pleasures the way of Christ looks alien and a far off, while the mirage faith fits
like a glove to this worldly hand.
 
PeterJens said:
I had a thought.

Mirage faith is the one where you project what you want and believe it is real.
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Is this what you do? because it sure seems that way.
The indication you live in this world, is belief is all it takes, no change, no reality,
no measurement or even a goal.
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Who says this? The only people I see say this is you and Stephen and maybe a few others when you talk about what you THINK we believe. Which time and time again has been thoroughly refuted.
A mirage faith always discourages finding out what is actually happening in peoples
lives or having any discipline or accountability. And ofcourse it is popular, it costs
nothing and it claims to deliver everything, as long as you pay the group to keep
on soothing you with their charms.
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Is that why you never try to figure out what people actually believe? but continue in your "mirage" of what people believe, Which is just a fake representation, but is not real?

And because it has no real form it can take on any other form to fake it being
the same as any other group but with real freedom. And it appeals to the
disenfranchised and depressed, those who find things too tough, because here
there is understanding and relief for the self condemnation that was their
everyday practice.
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Blah Blah Blah. Do you like listening to yourself or something? Non of this statement is real. It is all a mirage of probably your imagination. You THINK this is real. hence it is real..

And boy is this easy to preach. Everyone else is a lying hypocrite, and only
those who are resting in reality have the real truth, and to disbelieve this truth
is the really the most evil crime you can ever commit.
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Well. when you lie about others, then continue to puff yourself up every chance you get, and refuse to acknowledge your sin against others, .. Yeah, Thats being a lying hypocrite.

Amazing is you think you see it in others, But you can;t see your own,, The log in your eye must be heavy by now, when will you remove it?

Now only the elect will truly resist this call, because to them this is a lie, simply
because they are not hypocrites and they are open, victorious, righteous, loving
functional people walking with the Lord.
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This makes no sense whatsoever, can you reword it please?

And this new gospel only works when wealth, security and the world brings such
pleasures the way of Christ looks alien and a far off, while the mirage faith fits
like a glove to this worldly hand.
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And again this makes no sense. Were you trying to make a point?
 
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Stephen63 said:
It's not supposed to make sense to those who cannot discern it.
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really, Well maybe you can explain what it means.. Or is this your usual troll, where you attack people just because you think you can?
 
Stephen63 said:
RS91, did you noticed he just sidestepped your question & shut it down at the same time with an "only God can" answer?.

He acts like a regular joe but then he uses college words..... educated, but not in what he says he believes in.

This fella is a fraud, a sockpuppet. He is here to dismantle the truth & erect false doctrine.
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We can't see someones heart/right lobe/mind and if they really placed their full trust in Christ alone for their salvation. Only God can see that.
 
Dear friends,

When Jesus told parables, they were not understood by His enemies.

Knowing how trapped your enemy is in their world view it is important to understand this has
never been about persuasion or opinion, but real spiritual choices within each person.

As someone who often uses arguments to try and put positions forward I do not like these
limitations, but this is the spiritual reality world we are all in.

And engagement reaches the buffers when the heart is shut down. There is never a way
of bridging these gaps unless the Lord opens the door. This is a crucial lesson to learn, sheep
and goats, the elect and the lost. If they had eyes to see they would, is they had ears to hear
they would.

So just Listen to the voice of Christ and follow His way in these dark times.
God bless you, Amen.
 
wsblind said:
We can't see someones heart/right lobe/mind and if they really placed their full trust in Christ alone for their salvation. Only God can see that.
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From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Your heart speaks what you know, as well as what you don't know.

Those who put their full trust in Christ shows..... they can't help but show it.

Those that totally trust know that they know.

Haven't you ever read or heard the phrase, "I have a know-so salvation"?:)
 
Imagine someone comes to do a study of a group.
They describe each individual, their attitude and approach, and leave a report
behind with their findings.

Is such a description slander, insults, sin, or just how these people actually are?

Is holding a mirror up to someone condemning and judging them or just being a warning
before the actual judger of all appears?

Each person will only ever know the answer when they have a pure heart and walk in
righteousness, because only then do we have clear sight.

Davids response to the man who cursed him was this

David then said to Abishai and all his officials, “My son, my own flesh and blood, is trying to kill me. How much more, then, this Benjamite! Leave him alone; let him curse, for the Lord has told him to. 12 It may be that the Lord will look upon my misery and restore to me his covenant blessing instead of his curse today.”
2 Sam 16:11-12

So whatever people bring to our door, it is worthy of regard and thought.

But honest observations and realities are not evil and not intended to harm
but bring about blessing and good. Only the unwise regard this as insult,
slander and evil.

So I do regard what I am accused with seriously, but it is not a serious response
to anything, it is just poking in the dark and inventing shadows that are not there.
 
Stephen63 said:

Haven't you ever read or heard the phrase, "I have a know-so salvation"?:)
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In our house group one guy shared about when he first came to the Lord.
He just wanted to tell everyone everywhere. It just flowed out of him, like
a wave of celebration.

Now no one thought, nothing has happened to this guy, just wow, that had
a big impact. For me to this day, it is something I love and something I want
to know more of, and something that is my life and breath.

I have been in worship meeting that sounded like the multitude of heaven
exalting His name. Though this is a high at the time, the testing of some
realities followed and I am not sure people held true to what the Lord brought
about.

Aaron is a good example for me. The high priest yet he made a calf for Israel,
because he felt intimidated. Truth we know and then the choices we make
afterward are not innocent, though some would love to disown all consequences.
 
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Stephen63 said:
Sure..... He said this "new gospel" oh health & wealth that others are preaching won't fool the righteous It's a fraud & a scam.
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Gospel of health and wealth? Never heard of it.

Heard of a doctrine of health and wealth which I know some people follow. and disagree with, But a Gospel? Never heard of it.


anyway, Why does it not make sense?


And this new gospel only works when wealth, security and the world brings such
pleasures the way of Christ looks alien and a far off,
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so the gospel of grace means that wealth and security and the world brings such pleasures the way christ looks alien and far off?? do what??

1. The gospel of grace has NOTHING to do with wealth, Unless you talk about the spiritual things with God gives us which makes us wealthy beying measure in a way the world can not offer.

2. security and pleasure makes God look alien> WHAT??


while the mirage faith fits like a glove to this worldly hand.
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What? is this different than the gospel of grace? or is it the same, the way it is written makes it seem like it is a different gospel.

Other than that I agree, Peters faith does fit like a glove


Maybe it is you just do not know what gospel means or what it is?
 
PeterJens said:
Dear friends,

When Jesus told parables, they were not understood by His enemies.

Knowing how trapped your enemy is in their world view it is important to understand this has
never been about persuasion or opinion, but real spiritual choices within each person.

As someone who often uses arguments to try and put positions forward I do not like these
limitations, but this is the spiritual reality world we are all in.

And engagement reaches the buffers when the heart is shut down. There is never a way
of bridging these gaps unless the Lord opens the door. This is a crucial lesson to learn, sheep
and goats, the elect and the lost. If they had eyes to see they would, is they had ears to hear
they would.

So just Listen to the voice of Christ and follow His way in these dark times.
God bless you, Amen.
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Jesus makes total sense to me.

However, You trying to place yourself in the same category as jesus, Is offensive, To Jesus first and formost.
 
PeterJens said:
In our house group one guy shared about when he first came to the Lord.
He just wanted to tell everyone everywhere. It just flowed out of him, like
a wave of celebration.

Now no one thought, nothing has happened to this guy, just wow, that had
a big impact. For me to this day, it is something I love and something I want
to know more of, and something that is my life and breath.

I have been in worship meeting that sounded like the multitude of heaven
exalting His name. Though this is a high at the time, the testing of some
realities followed and I am not sure people held true to what the Lord brought
about.

Aaron is a good example for me. The high priest yet he made a calf for Israel,
because he felt intimidated. Truth we know and then the choices we make
afterward are not innocent, though some would love to disown all consequences.
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I have shared the same experiences.

I have seen people of Islam state they found God and have the same emotional response.

Does it make it right?

Oh thats right, You think emotions tell us the truth.. I guess we all three have truth, because we have had emotional experiences..
 
PeterJens said:
A maelstrom just churns things up and makes a mess.
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The spiritual war between Satan and God is turbulent. It is a mess. Thats why we have to be careful who we are following, And NEVER EVER think we have sole truth.. but always be open to the fact, we may be wrong..
 
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