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wsblind said:
Its amazing a proclaimed working for salvation,unbeliever who hasn't received his due..........is as deceptive as you. According to your doctrine,iamfinallyfree is going to hell.

How can you even show your face around here?


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Crazy hey.........their theme song....

We'll work till Jesus comes....we'll work till Jesus comes...we'll work till Jesus comes and then get cast away......

Faith plus works for salvation = a false gospel, no power and double cursed.....Galatians 1, 3
 
dcontroversal said:
Crazy hey.........their theme song....

We'll work till Jesus comes....we'll work till Jesus comes...we'll work till Jesus comes and then get cast away......

Faith plus works for salvation = a false gospel, no power and double cursed.....Galatians 1, 3
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Matthew 7:1-6New International Version (NIV)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I would be carful to judge and jury of others. We give the facts and evidence of our points and let it go. Allowing the Lord to enlighten who he enlightens after all nothing that is not done in love is worth doing at all.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Matthew 7:1-6New International Version (NIV)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I would be carful to judge and jury of others. We give the facts and evidence of our points and let it go. Allowing the Lord to enlighten who he enlightens after all nothing that is not done in love is worth doing at all.
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Seriously? Pay a little bit more attention. He is a proclaimed unbeliever. A proclaimed unsaved person. We are judging what he has said.

And YOU, and Stephen63,especially YOU. You are liking and believing what a PROFESSING UNBELIEVER is saying about salvation. Think.Think.Think. A person who claims he is not saved,does not have the Holy Spirit and he makes sense to YOU. Think.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Matthew 7:1-6New International Version (NIV)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I would be carful to judge and jury of others. We give the facts and evidence of our points and let it go. Allowing the Lord to enlighten who he enlightens after all nothing that is not done in love is worth doing at all.
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Take your own advice......and the song rings true.....so does the verses I referenced in Galatians....so....what is your point...My bible teaches salvation by grace dia faith....not works
 
wsblind said:
Seriously? Pay a little bit more attention. He is a proclaimed unbeliever. A proclaimed unsaved person. We are judging what he has said.

And YOU, and Stephen63,especially YOU. You are liking and believing what a PROFESSING UNBELIEVER is saying about salvation. Think.Think.Think. A person who claims he is not saved,does not have the Holy Spirit and he makes sense to YOU. Think.
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We are still not to judge the unbelievers even if he was who you say he is. Just share your belief and move on. God will do the rest in him or you. End of story.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Matthew 7:1-6New International Version (NIV)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I would be carful to judge and jury of others. We give the facts and evidence of our points and let it go. Allowing the Lord to enlighten who he enlightens after all nothing that is not done in love is worth doing at all.
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And not to mention he is a deceiver to the core. He has another account. and Is trying to deceive us........and he has been successful to a degree that is sad.

If this guy(a professed unbeliever) makes sense to you...........go introspective, think about what you really have been taught.
 
dcontroversal said:
and..one can judge one's theology without judging the person per se.......your welcome...for the service statement
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Yes speak your belief and move on not including the outcome of the believer who believes differently. God will handle that if its his will.

When did you serve?
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
We are still not to judge the unbelievers even if he was who you say he is. Just share your belief and move on. God will do the rest in him or you. End of story.
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Come on. Kick in that common sense. We are NOT judging him. We are going by what he believes and has TOLD us.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Yes speak your belief and move on not including the outcome of the believer who believes differently. God will handle that if its his will.

When did you serve?
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80's and we can rightfully surmise the destiny of a man based upon his belief or lack thereof....Jesus did, Paul did, Jude did....and the bible is clear concerning the eternal destiny of all who leave this earth without trusting Jesus biblically....Paul said that faith plus works for salvation equals a false gospel with no power to save and one that is double cursed.....we need not be afraid to label a false doctrine false and also rightfully conclude where those who believe said doctrine will end up....

MANY (plenteous in number) will come before the throne of JESUS boasting of their works as a right to enter and he will say...

a. I never knew you
b. Depart from me you workers of iniquity

I can surmise that if he never knew them and they get cast away they indeed attempted to make it by a different door....I can equally surmise by what Jesus said that said door was a works based attempt...

Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name......I can surmise rightfully...

a. They believed they knew the Lord
b. They done many wonderful works in his name
c. They were very religious in their attempt
 
wsblind said:
And not to mention he is a deceiver to the core. He has another account. and Is trying to deceive us........and he has been successful to a degree that is sad.

If this guy(a professed unbeliever) makes sense to you...........go introspective, think about what you really have been taught.
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A lot of what people say has truth from both beliefs. I do not have evidence of your claims so until I do I cant go off of them. For all I know everyone is a stranger with different opinions and understandings.

Its life. People with the Spirit are able to discern using the bible as a filter. Theology to an individual is always growing as the Lord enlightens and as they grow in wisdom.

I may state a belief today. Be enlightened next week and come back in agreement. We are all at different stages in our walk in faith. Age has nothing to do with it. Sometimes where we grew up has a lot to do with our beliefs so to some enlightenment may take longer as they forget old ingrained beliefs.

We just dont understand how God works in others
 
Forgive me for jumping in late... this verse has been rattling around in my head...

2 Peter 1:3 "His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence."

I'm picturing a preacher saying to the congregation, "How much is everything?"...

Okay, jumping out again... :)
 
dcontroversal said:
80's and we can rightfully surmise the destiny of a man based upon his belief or lack thereof....Jesus did, Paul did, Jude did....and the bible is clear concerning the eternal destiny of all who leave this earth without trusting Jesus biblically....Paul said that faith plus works for salvation equals a false gospel with no power to save and one that is double cursed.....we need not be afraid to label a false doctrine false and also rightfully conclude where those who believe said doctrine will end up....

MANY (plenteous in number) will come before the throne of JESUS boasting of their works as a right to enter and he will say...

a. I never knew you
b. Depart from me you workers of iniquity

I can surmise that if he never knew them and they get cast away they indeed attempted to make it by a different door....I can equally surmise by what Jesus said that said door was a works based attempt...

Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name......I can surmise rightfully...

a. They believed they knew the Lord
b. They done many wonderful works in his name
c. They were very religious in their attempt
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And this is great for discernment and self checking. I was just reminding for us to be cautious. When for all we know the Spirit may be working inside someone we judge.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
A lot of what people say has truth from both beliefs. I do not have evidence of your claims so until I do I cant go off of them. For all I know everyone is a stranger with different opinions and understandings.

Its life. People with the Spirit are able to discern using the bible as a filter. Theology to an individual is always growing as the Lord enlightens and as they grow in wisdom.

I may state a belief today. Be enlightened next week and come back in agreement. We are all at different stages in our walk in faith. Age has nothing to do with it. Sometimes where we grew up has a lot to do with our beliefs so to some enlightenment may take longer as they forget old ingrained beliefs.

We just dont understand how God works in others
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He is telling us he is an unbeliever. He is telling us He is unsaved. He doesn't have ANY truth yet. He does NOT have the Holy Spirit.

I know why this so hard to understand for some. They have been led astray after trusting Christ or they are not saved.

This is simple my friend. If your arguing for a vocal,professing unbeliever and his stance on salvation ........You need to seriously rethink what you have been taught.
 
wsblind said:
He is telling us he is an unbeliever. He is telling us He is unsaved. He doesn't have ANY truth yet. He does NOT have the Holy Spirit.

I know why this so hard to understand for some. They have been led astray after trusting Christ or they are not saved.

This is simple my friend. If your arguing for a vocal,professing unbeliever and his stance on salvation ........You need to seriously rethink what you have been taught.
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Im not defending no one or even know who your talking about. I was saying a cautionary warning to us all.
 
Roughsoul1991 said:
Im not defending no one or even know who your talking about. I was saying a cautionary warning to us all.
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Really? We are in the age that attention spans are 2 seconds. No wonder people have forgot how to think.

Plus, I don't believe you. You were just saying that the accusations I made against him are not verified yet.............So you know EXACTLY who we are talking about.

You~~ "I do not have evidence of your claims so until I do I cant go off of them."

Why didn't you ask," Who?" Cause you know WHO.

The cheese grater is just getting a little close to the core, so people have to start back peddling.
 
dcontroversal said:
80's and we can rightfully surmise the destiny of a man based upon his belief or lack thereof....Jesus did, Paul did, Jude did....and the bible is clear concerning the eternal destiny of all who leave this earth without trusting Jesus biblically....Paul said that faith plus works for salvation equals a false gospel with no power to save and one that is double cursed.....we need not be afraid to label a false doctrine false and also rightfully conclude where those who believe said doctrine will end up....

MANY (plenteous in number) will come before the throne of JESUS boasting of their works as a right to enter and he will say...

a. I never knew you
b. Depart from me you workers of iniquity

I can surmise that if he never knew them and they get cast away they indeed attempted to make it by a different door....I can equally surmise by what Jesus said that said door was a works based attempt...

Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name......I can surmise rightfully...

a. They believed they knew the Lord
b. They done many wonderful works in his name
c. They were very religious in their attempt
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So simple,yet so hard.

And right on DC. It is so amazing that some can't see this that I am convinced that some are so vengeful and hateful that they really WANT to pull people into the fire.
 
wsblind said:
Come on. Kick in that common sense. We are NOT judging him. We are going by what he believes and has TOLD us.
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And this is another thing we forget we are talking to actual humans with feelings and emotions and defferent levels of IQ.

I just couldn't see my self telling someone in real life kick on that common sense.

A lot that I type my brain says some mean things and I erase it knowing I would never speak to a real person that way. It would make me sad hurting someone else just because they believe different.

I have been burdened with a big heart that cares a lot. Sometimes I wish I could be mean in real life but usually I let people walk on me to keep the peace.

Rarly but for good reasons I get pushed to a point to defend myself or others but usually im very relaxed and dont care.
 
wsblind said:
Really? We are in the age that attention spans are 2 seconds. No wonder people have forgot how to think.

Plus, I don't believe you. You were just saying that the accusations I made against him are not verified yet.............So you know EXACTLY who we are talking about.

You~~ "I do not have evidence of your claims so until I do I cant go off of them."

Why didn't you ask," Who?" Cause you know WHO.

The cheese grater is just getting a little close to the core, so people have to start back peddling.
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I didnt believe who mattered i just know its not right to say things and have no evidence to support to me. Support it to me and I will share my feelings.

But you can say what you want i dont really care, as to I knew my intentions and so does God. Thats all that really matters.
 
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