Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

People should understand that a person GETS SAVED based upon Grace and Faith void of Works.
Once a person is SAVED, They better start obeying Jesus Christ whom they say is their MASTER and LORD, and start DOING what He commands them to do, namely "Love One Another" That is nothing but WORKS.

How many times will i have to say this to your ears and you not hear it?

Getting SAVED requires NOT WORKS, it is a free gift through Grace and Faith ONLY.
After you ARE SAVED (Through Grace and Faith) then you are Required to DO Works. Why do you think Jesus plainly told us to "Love One Another" and made it a COMMANDMENT for us to DO once we ARE SAVED.

You see the FAITH ONLY believers believe that all you need is FAITH and NOTHING else. Scriptures is against the FAITH ONLY believers. Demons believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and they OBEYED HIM. This generation claims that Jesus is their LORD, yet do NOT obey Him. Are demons which obeyed Jesus Christ better than those who disobey Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ COMMANDS all of YOU, to Love One Another. Woe to them who claim Jesus is their Lord and do NOT Do as He commands, and it will not matter what you claim with your mouth. Your heart is revealed by the treasures you produce. If you obey Jesus and Love One Another, you will have many good works. But if you do not obey Jesus and Love One Another, you will most certainly be selfish and only do for you and yours.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

MAN...you can peddle this false doctrine until the cows come home and the chickens go to roost.....

Paul said to mix faith and works FOR salvation is a false gospel of a different kind with no power to save and one that is double cursed....

end of story!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by FreeNChrist

Salvation is not a prize.

Exactly.......it is a gift......and free to boot!

sigh.... .... ....

Getting SAVED is a Free Gift.

Once you are SAVED your in a race.


Know you not that Salvation is ONLY given to a person on Judgment Day? When a person gets Saved, they have not received Salvation, if that were True, then they would immediately receive their Glorified bodies and be caught up with God. It is ONLY when the Book is opened on Judgment Day that determines who is Saved and who is not Saved, hence the reason it is called JUDGEMENT DAY.

i may be Saved today, and my name written in the Book of Life, but i may deny Jesus Christ a year from now, when my Mom gets a longsuffering painful disease, i may just curse God and deny Him, because He did not answer my prayers concerning her. Tell me, if i then a year from now DENY CHRIST, is my name still written in the Book of Life on JUDGMENT Day?

i can ask you the same question, not likely you will answer though.

Is your name right now written in the Book of Life? Answer, its a simple question that you should know.

Now tell me, are you saying it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to one day in the Future to DENY JESUS CHRIST? IMPOSSIBLE? WARNING: Careful how you choose to answer that question. God may just TEST YOU ON THAT.

So then today your name is in the Book of Life, does NOT mean it will remain there until Judgment Day, Hence the reason the Apostle Paul used the analogy of a race, to get the prize. He also said that he had not yet attained it and not yet perfect

Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Getting Saved is Free and anyone can have it.

Being SAVED is entirely a DIFFERENT THING, but for some reason this generation refuses to see that difference. Getting SAVED and BEING SAVED or two different things. What do you receive the FREE GIFT DAILY? or is it given to you ONCE when you GOT SAVED?

What DAY were you SAVED? Is that not the DAY that you accepted the FREE GIFT? Now that you HAVE that FREE GIFT given to you on that specific DAY, You are NOW to be DOERS of the Word of God and NOT hearers only. Do you not hear all the verses which teach to STOP SINNING, STOP obeying the enemy of Jesus Christ?

Do these words that i teach sound like words of the wicked one? Are they not teaching to OBEY JESUS and not to obey satan. Yet this generation think me evil and wicked because i teach what Scriptures teach concerning sinning. This generation loves to sin, and are not willing to give it up for Jesus or anyone. They love to sin and make excuses to continue to live in them.

What i teach is what God told me, and Scriptures confirms what i teach. This generation rejects what i teach because it is from God, and it is the TRUTH, but this generation loves to sin, not to hearken to anything that teaches against their own sinning which they love to do. There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from, try to remember that the next time you are tempted to commit sin. Tell me, where is Jesus when you are tempted to commit sin?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

People should understand that a person GETS SAVED based upon Grace and Faith void of Works.
Once a person is SAVED, They better start obeying Jesus Christ whom they say is their MASTER and LORD, and start DOING what He commands them to do, namely "Love One Another" That is nothing but WORKS.

How many times will i have to say this to your ears and you not hear it?

Getting SAVED requires NOT WORKS, it is a free gift through Grace and Faith ONLY.
After you ARE SAVED (Through Grace and Faith) then you are Required to DO Works. Why do you think Jesus plainly told us to "Love One Another" and made it a COMMANDMENT for us to DO once we ARE SAVED.

You see the FAITH ONLY believers believe that all you need is FAITH and NOTHING else. Scriptures is against the FAITH ONLY believers. Demons believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and they OBEYED HIM. This generation claims that Jesus is their LORD, yet do NOT obey Him. Are demons which obeyed Jesus Christ better than those who disobey Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ COMMANDS all of YOU, to Love One Another. Woe to them who claim Jesus is their Lord and do NOT Do as He commands, and it will not matter what you claim with your mouth. Your heart is revealed by the treasures you produce. If you obey Jesus and Love One Another, you will have many good works. But if you do not obey Jesus and Love One Another, you will most certainly be selfish and only do for you and yours.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Another "maintenance worker". God saves me, but it's up to me to maintain my salvation and keep myself saved. Nope.

So you believe you do not have to DO what Jesus commands you to do? Is that what you are saying?
Answer: As a Christian are you to obey Jesus? (note; This is a yes or no answer)

Await your answer:

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Because only the one will save you, by grace through faith and not of works. So that you will never be able to boast.

Do you understand there is a difference from <Getting Saved> and <Being Saved>?

Please answer what you think the difference is, or don't answer at all, i am use to that on CC?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

Do you understand there is a difference from <Getting Saved> and <Being Saved>?

Please answer what you think the difference is, or don't answer at all, i am use to that on CC?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Those who get saved, are saved.

 

[FreeNChrist]

So you believe you do not have to DO what Jesus commands you to do? Is that what you are saying?
Answer: As a Christian are you to obey Jesus? (note; This is a yes or no answer)

Await your answer:

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Ya got the cart before the horse there Sparky.

 

[dcontroversal]

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God

NOW are we the SONS of GOD, but it doth not appear what we shall be...

Ahhhh the simplicity that is found in Christ....alleviates all of the deceptive ones who peddle false gospels of a works maintained pseudo false gospel that does not save nor bring salvation.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Those who get saved, are saved.

Not the workers for......they have to try and earn their right......Jesus speaks about them.....the plenteous in number that come before his throne boasting about ALL that they have done....only to be cast into the lake of fire........LORD, LORD have we not!!!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Another false gospel....saved by faith but kept by works...a gospel of a different kind with no power to save and double cursed....

PLENTEOUS is the number that go before him boasting of all they have done to get, keep or maintain their salvation....he will say he NEVER knew them...why...because they believed the false gospel in line one of this post!

lol, believe the Scriptures that you quote?

Jesus plainly teaches He never knew those who practice sinning. Do you practice sinning? Practice is to continue to do something over and over again. Do you practice a particular sin over and over and over and over again?
Jesus also said, why do you call me "LORD" and NOT DO the things that I say? Does He not COMMAND US to Love One Another? Do you do that? Where is your Love for me? i have not said anything about YOU personally, but my teaching is always in general to Everyone, not attacking you, or saying any evil thing against YOU, or belittling YOU in any way. i continue to ask you questions which you hardly ever answer one of them. i try to answer every single thing you ask me or respond to me about. i try to answer every question presented to me, because i believe that Jesus Christ would do the same, and i try to please Him in everything i do, even here. i love you, and try to reach you with the TRUTH. Why is you don't like me very much? is is because i teach to stop sinning. Think about that for a moment, i teach to stop obeying satan, and look at all the flack i get from this generation, why is that?

Here are the Words of OUR Lord and Savior Jesus Christ:


Mat_7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.(SIN)

Mat_13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (SIN);

Mat_23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity (SIN)

Mat_24:12 And because iniquity (SIN) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Luk_13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.(SIN)

Woe to all those who continue to live in iniquity, For these Words of Jesus will not come back VOID. The Word will JUDGE Everyone.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

MAN...you can peddle this false doctrine until the cows come home and the chickens go to roost.....

Paul said to mix faith and works FOR salvation is a false gospel of a different kind with no power to save and one that is double cursed....

end of story!

lol, know you not that the more you respond to something that i say, the more you allow me to peddle, as you call it? Thank God.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[dcontroversal]

lol, believe the Scriptures that you quote?

Jesus plainly teaches He never knew those who practice sinning. Do you practice sinning? Practice is to continue to do something over and over again. Do you practice a particular sin over and over and over and over again?
Jesus also said, why do you call me "LORD" and NOT DO the things that I say? Does He not COMMAND US to Love One Another? Do you do that? Where is your Love for me? i have not said anything about YOU personally, but my teaching is always in general to Everyone, not attacking you, or saying any evil thing against YOU, or belittling YOU in any way. i continue to ask you questions which you hardly ever answer one of them. i try to answer every single thing you ask me or respond to me about. i try to answer every question presented to me, because i believe that Jesus Christ would do the same, and i try to please Him in everything i do, even here. i love you, and try to reach you with the TRUTH. Why is you don't like me very much? is is because i teach to stop sinning. Think about that for a moment, i teach to stop obeying satan, and look at all the flack i get from this generation, why is that?

Here are the Words of OUR Lord and Savior Jesus Christ:


Mat_7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.(SIN)

Mat_13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity (SIN);

Mat_23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity(SIN)

Mat_24:12 And because iniquity (SIN) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Luk_13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.(SIN)

Woe to all those who continue to live in iniquity, For these Words of Jesus will not come back VOID. The Word will JUDGE Everyone.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Jesus came to save sinners...not the self righteous who try to work their way to heaven.......their root of evil was boasting in their works and attempting to come through a different door....that door being faith and works for salvation.....

NICE try to switch gears...won't work......and too be frank....one who states that they are a prophet and that Jesus will acknowledge their CC name in the day of Judgment and reference their teaching instead of the bible....has no weight in y eyes when it comes to understanding anything in the bible......

 

[dcontroversal]

lol, know you not that the more you respond to something that i say, the more you allow me to peddle, as you call it? Thank God.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Exactly and the more your fallacy is seen...... hahahh

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
Do you understand there is a difference from <Getting Saved> and <Being Saved>?

Please answer what you think the difference is, or don't answer at all, i am use to that on CC?

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Those who get saved, are saved.

i see you did not answer either question presented to you to answer. Why is that?

Let us look at your statement for a second. Those who get Saved, are Saved. If this were True as you say it is, then why the whole Bible?

Seriously think about it if once a person is Saved, they ARE SAVED, there is no need for 80% of the Bible which tells us what we should do once we are Saved. i mean, all a person really needs are the verses which teach us who Jesus Christ is, and what He did for us. the rest would be moot, right? i mean if once you get SAVED, you are SAVED, there is no need for the rest of the Bible which teach what we MUST DO once we are SAVED, is that what you are saying and/or implying, because it seems that way.

You seem to think that once a person GETS saved they ARE SAVED and can never DENY JESUS, ever. These also CAN't EVER hate anyone at all, and EVERY single person that GETS SAVED, does forgiven everyone without fail. If what you say is TRUE, then 80% of the New Testament is MOOT. DO you know who else believes exactly as you do, the Faith ONLY believers. They believe FAITH is all that is needed, all that is required, all that has to be done. Yet 80% of the New Testament teaches us what we MUST do once we are Saved.

You did not answer those question because you can't see or hear the understanding that there is a difference. You see the Faith ONLY believers only see and understand the "Getting Saved" verses in the Bible, all the while ignoring, making void, or interpreting away 80% of the rest of the bible which teaches us Christians what we should do once we are SAVED. That is the difference which you seem to not be able to grasp, if you could, you would have answered the questions without hesitation. But you answered neither, because you refuse to see the TRUTH or hear it when it is given to you. But you now do know the TRUTH, whether you accept it or not is not my place to convince you of the TRUTH.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

i see you did not answer either question presented to you to answer. Why is that?

Let us look at your statement for a second. Those who get Saved, are Saved. If this were True as you say it is, then why the whole Bible?

Seriously think about it if once a person is Saved, they ARE SAVED, there is no need for 80% of the Bible which tells us what we should do once we are Saved. i mean, all a person really needs are the verses which teach us who Jesus Christ is, and what He did for us. the rest would be moot, right? i mean if once you get SAVED, you are SAVED, there is no need for the rest of the Bible which teach what we MUST DO once we are SAVED, is that what you are saying and/or implying, because it seems that way.

You seem to think that once a person GETS saved they ARE SAVED and can never DENY JESUS, ever. These also CAN't EVER hate anyone at all, and EVERY single person that GETS SAVED, does forgiven everyone without fail. If what you say is TRUE, then 80% of the New Testament is MOOT. DO you know who else believes exactly as you do, the Faith ONLY believers. They believe FAITH is all that is needed, all that is required, all that has to be done. Yet 80% of the New Testament teaches us what we MUST do once we are Saved.

You did not answer those question because you can't see or hear the understanding that there is a difference. You see the Faith ONLY believers only see and understand the "Getting Saved" verses in the Bible, all the while ignoring, making void, or interpreting away 80% of the rest of the bible which teaches us Christians what we should do once we are SAVED. That is the difference which you seem to not be able to grasp, if you could, you would have answered the questions without hesitation. But you answered neither, because you refuse to see the TRUTH or hear it when it is given to you. But you now do know the TRUTH, whether you accept it or not is not my place to convince you of the TRUTH.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Yep, definitely a maintenance worker.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yep, definitely a maintenance worker.

Of course....he is also a prophet and said that Jesus will reference him by his cc name in the day of judgment, remind us all of what he taught and then condemn us because we rejected DD's teaching....

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

So you believe you do not have to DO what Jesus commands you to do? Is that what you are saying?
Answer: As a Christian are you to obey Jesus? (note; This is a yes or no answer)

Await your answer:

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Ya got the cart before the horse there Sparky.

And yet no answer.

Here is a verse, that is given to us by the Apostle Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, for us to DO once we are SAVED.

Col_4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Notice is says we should know how to answer every man. NO NOT this generation this generation just doesn't answer at all, when the question presented to them, is to open their eyes and ears to the TRUTH, NO instead of knowing how to answer questions presented to them, they use the tactic called diversion, by not answering the question presented but directing the conversation to something other than the question asked.

Let us Love One Another even in these forums. if you disagree with something that i have said, or i dissagree with something that you say, let us quote each other and talk about it, with LOVE. That would be awesome.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

And yet no answer.

Here is a verse, that is given to us by the Apostle Paul through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, for us to DO once we are SAVED.

Col_4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Notice is says we should know how to answer every man. NO NOT this generation this generation just doesn't answer at all, when the question presented to them, is to open their eyes and ears to the TRUTH, NO instead of knowing how to answer questions presented to them, they use the tactic called diversion, by not answering the question presented but directing the conversation to something other than the question asked.

Let us Love One Another even in these forums. if you disagree with something that i have said, or i dissagree with something that you say, let us quote each other and talk about it, with LOVE. That would be awesome.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

It seems you have somehow mistaken your pride for love. Weird.

 

[DiscipleDave]

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God

NOW are we the SONS of GOD, but it doth not appear what we shall be...

Ahhhh the simplicity that is found in Christ....alleviates all of the deceptive ones who peddle false gospels of a works maintained pseudo false gospel that does not save nor bring salvation.....

This is a description of GETTING SAVED and that is TRUE.

i teach to those who claim they already have that Free Gift, NOt to those who have not accepted the Free Gift.

Accepting the Free Gift has different requirements from those who already Have the Free Gift.

Getting SAVED REQUIRES NO WORKS at all. is this so hard for you to understand that i know and believe that. But for some reason, even though i plainly teach there is NO WORKS required for one to Get SAVED, you continually think in your mind that is what i believe. And it seems no matter how many time i tell you otherwise, you are not hearing me on that matter.

Maybe if i bold it and make it bigger you will then begin to understand.

NO WORKS ARE REQUIRED FOR ONE TO GET SAVED. (not yelling) This is what i know is TRUE, and i believe is TRUE, please, in the Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ stop saying that i think and believe otherwise. Thanks.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

Of course....he is also a prophet and said that Jesus will reference him by his cc name in the day of judgment, remind us all of what he taught and then condemn us because we rejected DD's teaching....

Yeah, I remember that now.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Jesus came to save sinners...not the self righteous who try to work their way to heaven.....

This is absolutely TRUE.

..their root of evil was boasting in their works and attempting to come through a different door....that door being faith and works for salvation.....

This also is absolutely TRUE

NICE try to switch gears...won't work......and too be frank....one who states that they are a prophet and that Jesus will acknowledge their CC name in the day of Judgment and reference their teaching instead of the bible....has no weight in y eyes when it comes to understanding anything in the bible......

i get it. God has never spoken to you audibly so He must not to anyone else either. i get it, Because if He had spoken to you audibly, you would not be so quick to judge those who said He did, as being false. i get it, i do.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave