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Your first two statements seem to indicate you believe saved by faith, but made complete by works.....see Galatians 1,3 that is a false gospel of a different kind with no power to save....FAITH saves eternally PERIOD...the works DO not seal the deal...that was taken care of when Jesus said it is finished=paid in full....my sin debt has been nailed to cross and taken out of the way...by faith the blood is applied and I am found in the righteousness of Christ!
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LaurenTM
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Not judgmental hostility..... just reminding the readers you're far from "innocent"
oh come on now Stephen.....gathering stones for the judgement?
after our short fling at being civil, I see you write this kind of nonsense
seriously?
I noticed his bait and switch tactics.....but figured someone else had called him on it....notice His woe is me, we are attacked statement......!
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Ah, you make a very good point, as this point also exposes the false grace doctrine. The false grace message says sin (works of the flesh) still has dominion over you when you are born again of the Spirit and under grace.
But the true grace message says when you are born again of the Spirit and truly under grace sin shall not have dominion over you.
So when they say works do not matter, they also include the works of the flesh=sin in the whole mix of works as those that do not matter.
Sin is a work people, and sin does matter, that is also why Jesus came and was crucified.
I see the SINLESS ONE has arrived!
There is a strong HG false grace following here, so there is plenty to combat. Be strong, you are doing good. Peace
Look a worker for sounds off....A strong HG false grace following.......now that is hilarious....more like the truth about salvation being based on faith void of human effort or work.....So which group are you in....the LORD, LORD we done many wonderful works in your name and deserve heaven, or the Lord Lord we cast out many demons in your name and deserve heaven or the Lord Lord we prophesied in your name and deserve heaven?
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There's a BIG difference between works getting salvation & works necessary to maintain salvation. The latter comes as a result of being changed & empowered by God. We can't boast of those, either.
So you KEEP yourself saved by your works?
Jesus keeps me saved. He does not need my help.
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Yeah, I would have to work overtime.
Working 24/7 would not be enough for any of us.
Of course, some will disagree.
There are a few Pharisees on this forum.
Nice verses.....none of them have to do with attaining eternal salvation.....stick to the context of the OP.........and your right....you should take your own advice!
"Maintenance" is nothing more than taking good care of what has been given us , for it can be taken away. Cherish it, prove it, with it bring forth works of righteousness.
Col 2: 6Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord,so walk in Him, 7having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude. 8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Gal 5:22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.
6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7Therefore do not be partakers with them; 8for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light 9(for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), 10trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;12for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret.
2John 1: 7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. 9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.
"Walk in the ways of the Lord" or apostatize..... which will we choose?
I'm trying to help you by preventing further deflections on your part. I know my shortfalls and am prayerfully working on them. In a spirit of love I pray you focus on your shortfalls. That said, I'm proclaim our salvation does not hang in the balance; Jesus' mission is complete.Not judgmental hostility..... just reminding the readers you're far from "innocent"
Your words carry much weight with me considering we crossed that bridge long ago. Thank you, dear sister, for your grace.
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eternally-gratefull
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Not judgmental hostility..... just reminding the readers you're far from "innocent"
Thats why we need grace
Works will not help either of us.. No matter how hard we worked, We would still be "FAR" from innocent.
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LaurenTM
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we did have a go at each other, didn't we?
bound to happen when similar characteristics collide!
but that's ok
hugs in Jesus
Jesus and the ones before him that were bragging on the wonderful works they did in his name...did he say that they did not do the works?
Even wicked men know how to do good things for their children and lost men do right things all the day long...such as giving to charities, feeding the poor, donating to hospitals etc.....that is the point I assume he was trying to make.....however the right things that they did had no bearing on their salvation....nor did it equate to salvation........
There are many (one) verse wonders that stand alone and prove a valid point.....EVERY word is inspired and profitable........
God created the heavens and the earth........
I am the way, the truth and the life.......
God said, "Let there be light"
It is not unbiblical nor wrong to make a stand on one verse......although line upon line and precept upon precept is best.............