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Not By Works
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Exactly........again...if one can add to his salvation or embellish salvation---> it makes it based upon human merit and effort and gives man the right to boast.....It is as plain as day that ALL GLORY goes to GOD.....because it is ALL HIS WORK......end of story!
Are you producing good fruit with your judgmental hostility?I can't believe you fixed YOUR mouth to say that.
Amen....the key to JAMES overlooked by all of those who trust into their works is the simple sayin....."SHOW ME YOUR FAITH"
Before God we are justified by FAITH (PAUL in ROMANS)
Before MEN our CLAIM of faith is JUSTIFIED or SEEN by our WORKS....
BUT WORKS have ZERO to do with GAINING or KEEPING salvation which is ETERNAL and based upon he WORK of CHRIST on our behalf due to our FAITH.....
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eternally-gratefull
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Actually there is ZERO difference
Because of works are required to MAINTAIN salvation, Then you were never truly saved to begin with. Thus you are continuing to work to GAIN salvation.
And we can just go to paul. Are you so FOOLISH having begun in the spirit (faith) are you now trying to perfect it with the flesh (works)
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eternally-gratefull
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Put him right with peter who said Christ work on the cross is not enough.And there it is. Works to "maintain" salvation IS works for salvation.
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FreeNChrist
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Does not the bible call faith a work....and faith is also a gift...who is the Author and finisher of our FAITH....?
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father
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LaurenTM
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There's a BIG difference between works getting salvation & works necessary to maintain salvation. The latter comes as a result of being changed & empowered by God. We can't boast of those, either.
How can one possibly maintain salvation through works. Either Jesus died for your sins or He didn't. Works may be a manifestation of one's salvation but cannot be the cause of it.
Where sin abounds....GRACE did much more abound.....the bible has a lot to say about grace........
In the GRACE you are, having been saved OUT OF FAITH and that NOT of YOURSELVES..it is the GIFT of GOD, NOT of works lest any man should boast.....
What is so confusing about that..........??
You maintain salvation by good works?There's a BIG difference between works getting salvation & works necessary to maintain salvation. The latter comes as a result of being changed & empowered by God. We can't boast of those, either.
The Galatians were saved but they were attempting to live by the flesh and so they made the grace of God of no effect - not working - in their lives.
People are still saved ( as in going to heaven when they die because they are "in Christ" - the inner man in Christ is created in righteousness and holiness and is one spirit with the Lord ) even though they live by the flesh in some area.
All works of the flesh bring some sort of destruction to our lives while we are here on this earth. That's why it is vital to learn how to walk by the spirit.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
It's very easy to see the malice in people living by the flesh - we just need to read some posts.
People are still saved ( as in going to heaven when they die because they are "in Christ" - the inner man in Christ is created in righteousness and holiness and is one spirit with the Lord ) even though they live by the flesh in some area.
All works of the flesh bring some sort of destruction to our lives while we are here on this earth. That's why it is vital to learn how to walk by the spirit.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
It's very easy to see the malice in people living by the flesh - we just need to read some posts.
The whole point.....works do not save and or keep you saved.......now we are getting somewhere.....!
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HisHolly
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For a new person in the faith, how do they know they have it right? There are a multitude of teachings out here... I'm coming from my experience.. anyone is free to disagree and say I'm wrong if they choose... I've covered all my points.. take my whole concern into account then address what you think is wrong.. I can't get anywhere when one post is ripped on
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HisHolly
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Excuse me that I have had some real wacked teaching and some here sound just like it.... I was a mess under all that garbage..
Exactly what I thought....a gospel of a different kind with no power to save and double cursed by Paul in Galatians 1,3
Saved by faith but made complete by works.....<---a false gospel of a different kind with zero power to save and or keep saved ever.....!
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HisHolly
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OK I see you are addressing single posts and not the conversation of them.. your thread, do as you want.. next time, I'll make my own..
