Not By Works

[Evmur]

If "thou shalt not commit adultery" didn't exist until Sinai, why did Joseph call it "great sin against God"?

It is not according to life, it is not compatible with following Christ, it is not the life - style of the disciple

"If you have My life ... if you are following Me .... if you are My disciple thou shalt not commit adultery" is how I would put it [you like expansions]

 

[Evmur]

Your statements contradict each other. I guess you think you are stronger than Jesus, to
force Him to let go even though He says -and you affirm- that He will never let you go.

No man can take us out of His hands, to which our determinedly backward friends will reply "ah but we can wriggle free and run away"

... such naughty sheeps they are.

 

[Phoneman-777]

You have that twisted. The broken people who knew they were in need of a Savior wept at Jesus’ feet and solemnly rejoiced in His saving grace. Pharisees and workers of the law on the other hand rejected His divinity and condemned Him as they focused on their own self-righteous works that equated to filthy rags.

It’s the same today and you show yourself to be the latter. You are in extreme danger of having a millstone around your neck and yet you mock the warnings. Blind guide.

If Jesus showed up and became a member of your church congregation, you and the rest of your OSAS License to Sin brethren would soon begin condemning Him as a "legalist" and one "fallen from grace" for His strict integrity - and no doubt would immediately call a Business Meeting to Disfellowship upon hearing His words, "you are of your father the devil" .

 

[Phoneman-777]

Yes. You are starting to understand.

But now, instead of the devil whispering into this drivers ear we have the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit guiding the young man.

He still only has his learners permit. He still has those temptations in the car with him. But now he has Brand New impressions and impulses straight from the Lord Jesus.

He's still going to grab a beer or two every now and then. He's still going to lust for that "flirt" from time to time. But something MAJOR has changed in his life that causes him to not continue down that path, but repent.

Its nothing in himself, he recognizes. If it were up to him he would just do what the flesh desires. But the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit want this person to be Righteous and Blessed before God.



Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Here's a better idea: Y'all throw away that useless OSAS License to Sin and simply ask Jesus to help you resist the devil when he comes dangling his temptations, knowing that victory is already guaranteed?

Which is a better witness to the unchurched who eye the Christian church with doubt and suspicion:
The Christian who overcomes sin by the indwelling power of Jesus, or -
The "Christian" who freely indulges sin alongside of the wicked, while brandishing his OSAS License to Sin?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Your statements contradict each other.

Where?

I guess you think you are stronger than Jesus, to force Him to let go even though He says -and you affirm- that He will never let you go.

Is Jesus' hands open to us like we would open them to a gentle chick or dove...or are His knuckles white with a death grip on us?

He gathers us under his wings, He doesn't carry us around in a cage with bars of teeth like a croc. We can run out from under His wings, or jump from His hands any time we want, because contrary to the belief of the OSAS License to Sin crowd, we don't check our freewill at the door of the church.

 

[Phoneman-777]

It is not according to life, it is not compatible with following Christ, it is not the life - style of the disciple

"If you have My life ... if you are following Me .... if you are My disciple thou shalt not commit adultery" is how I would put it [you like expansions]

So, did God require Joseph to refrain from adultery or not?

 

[Chester]

No man can take us out of His hands, to which our determinedly backward friends will reply "ah but we can wriggle free and run away"

... such naughty sheeps they are.

The sheep who is hearing and following Christ assuredly cannot be taken out of His hand.

 

[Evmur]

So, did God require Joseph to refrain from adultery or not?

Did God say to Joseph "thou shalt not commit adultery?"

Judah committed adultery bigly, did that remove him from the roll of God's elect?

It was Joseph himself who cried "how can I do such a thing?" He was a man touched by God, he had God's call upon his life, God's overflowing blessings, God's vision, God's dreams .... how then will such a man sin against his master Potiphorus [sic] and against God.

That's how it is with us. We have been born again, God's call is upon our lives, we have His joy, His peace, His blessings. We have God's vision, God's dreams.

How then shall we sin against our neighbour or against God?

Change your mind, the way you think ...

 

[Snacks]

If Jesus showed up and became a member of your church congregation, you and the rest of your OSAS License to Sin brethren would soon begin condemning Him as a "legalist" and one "fallen from grace" for His strict integrity - and no doubt would immediately call a Business Meeting to Disfellowship upon hearing His words, "you are of your father the devil" .

Actually we would cry with shouts of acclimation at being overwhelmed by His love, grace, acceptance and omnipotent majesty.

 

[Evmur]

If Jesus showed up and became a member of your church congregation, you and the rest of your OSAS License to Sin brethren would soon begin condemning Him as a "legalist" and one "fallen from grace" for His strict integrity - and no doubt would immediately call a Business Meeting to Disfellowship upon hearing His words, "you are of your father the devil" .

But Jesus IS present at our meetings, we are members of Him, His Body. It is His word we are listening to. "If anyone hears My word and believes on Him who sent Me HATH eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day"

I WILL raise him up at the LAST day ... that's the Shepherd's voice, we follow Him.

Stranger you come along saying something different ... that's why folks flee.

 

[Evmur]

Actually we would cry with shouts of acclimation at being overwhelmed by His love, grace, acceptance and omnipotent majesty.

he sure would.

 

[Evmur]

Here's a better idea: Y'all throw away that useless OSAS License to Sin and simply ask Jesus to help you resist the devil when he comes dangling his temptations, knowing that victory is already guaranteed?

Which is a better witness to the unchurched who eye the Christian church with doubt and suspicion:
The Christian who overcomes sin by the indwelling power of Jesus, or -
The "Christian" who freely indulges sin alongside of the wicked, while brandishing his OSAS License to Sin?

... it's the holiness crowd they eye with suspicion.

 

[Grandpa]

If "thou shalt not commit adultery" didn't exist until Sinai, why did Joseph call it "great sin against God"?

Because it was not the way of Righteousness before God. It was the opposite.

People could sin against God before Moses and the Mosaic Law.

 

[Grandpa]

Here's a better idea: Y'all throw away that useless OSAS License to Sin and simply ask Jesus to help you resist the devil when he comes dangling his temptations, knowing that victory is already guaranteed?

Which is a better witness to the unchurched who eye the Christian church with doubt and suspicion:
The Christian who overcomes sin by the indwelling power of Jesus, or -
The "Christian" who freely indulges sin alongside of the wicked, while brandishing his OSAS License to Sin?

The better witness to the "unchurched" eye is the Christian who is real and speaks Truth.

OSAS is Truth. Being tempted, and failing is truth. Overcoming by the help of the Lord Jesus is truth.


The BIG question isn't if OSAS is the Truth. The BIG question is are you 100% sure you are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ? If you are 100% sure then abide in that and don't worry about any of the doubts the dummies will try to convince you of, for whatever reason they have for that.

If you are not 100% sure then go to scripture and prayer and find out why.

 

[Grandpa]

Actually we would cry with shouts of acclimation at being overwhelmed by His love, grace, acceptance and omnipotent majesty.

You mean acclamation...

I truly didn't understand what you were saying at first.... I was laughing because it probably took me the longest to understand...


I was trying to picture shouts of acclimation... But we never really do get acclimated to His Love, Grace and acceptance...

 

[Magenta]

But Jesus IS present at our meetings, we are members of Him, His Body. It is His word we are listening to. "If anyone hears My word and believes on Him who sent Me HATH eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day"

I WILL raise him up at the LAST day ... that's the Shepherd's voice, we follow Him.

Stranger you come along saying something different ... that's why folks flee.

John 6:37 plus John 10:28

 

[Snacks]

You mean acclamation...

I truly didn't understand what you were saying at first.... I was laughing because it probably took me the longest to understand...


I was trying to picture shouts of acclimation... But we never really do get acclimated to His Love, Grace and acceptance...

Good catch there, sir. I knew it didn’t look right. Sometimes it takes a gentle nudge from someone else to be able to see things clearly.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Did God say to Joseph "thou shalt not commit adultery?"

How else could Joseph know adultery was wrong, except God had said it?

Judah committed adultery bigly, did that remove him from the roll of God's elect?

There's a difference between the Just Man who falls down into the pit of sin, and the Presumptuous Man who brings a ladder and climbs down willfully into the pit of sin, sits down comfortably among the filth, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and pushes their OSAS License to Sin in His face. There was mercy and forgiveness for Judah but there will be NO MERCY for anyone who thinks they'll get a pass by flashing a License to Sin.

It was Joseph himself who cried "how can I do such a thing?" He was a man touched by God, he had God's call upon his life, God's overflowing blessings, God's vision, God's dreams .... how then will such a man sin against his master Potiphorus [sic] and against God.

Congratulations for making my point. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" was written on the heart of Joseph, just as "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" is supposed to be written on the Christian's heart - Joseph demonstrated by his actions God was in his heart, and those who refuse to obey God as Joseph did demonstrate it is SATAN who resides in their heart, no matter how much they wave their hands in church, according to 1 John 2:3-4 KJV.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Actually we would cry with shouts of acclimation at being overwhelmed by His love, grace, acceptance and omnipotent majesty.

Oh, you'll be crying out alright, but not with shouts of acclamation to Jesus in the clouds, but to the rocks and mountains to fall on you if you persist on rebelling against the commandments of God.

 

[Phoneman-777]

But Jesus IS present at our meetings, we are members of Him, His Body. It is His word we are listening to. "If anyone hears My word and believes on Him who sent Me HATH eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day"

I WILL raise him up at the LAST day ... that's the Shepherd's voice, we follow Him.

Stranger you come along saying something different ... that's why folks flee.

The only reason Jesus would be in attendance to your meetings is to ask the question, "And why call ye Me, Lord Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

Jesus says, "If you love Me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" which includes "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" so why are you not in church on Sabbath? Why do you trample the Sabbath day instead of keeping it holy? Why do you meet on "the venerable (unconquerable) day of the Sun", a day which SATAN, not God, sanctions? Where in the Bible was the change made from Sabbath to Sunday?

Go to www.Rome'sChallenge.com and read how the Roman Catholic church mocks and ridicules non-Catholics for observing Sunday - how those who claim the Bible is their sole authority actually demonstrate by keeping Sunday that it is the authority of the Roman Catholic church to which they demonstrate allegiance because, as this website proves better than any Adventist could, SUNDAY IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. If I were a Sunday-keeper and read this, I'd be pretty pissed off about it and want to get to the bottom of the issue, instead of believing the lies and propaganda from evangelical false pulpit prophets who claim Sunday is there.