Not By Works

[Judges1318]

let’s see

Oops

It's okay. I know what he's saying.
I had to read your post a few times to figure out exactly which way to understand what you were saying (it could be understood two different ways).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is our common ground? How so?

Some may be whatever he said, but they still believe in OSAS so they are still true believers in OSAS. He's no authority on this issue to make baseless and subjective conclusions and definitions. Anyone who believes in OSAS is a true believer in it, no matter their distinctions.

Yep I am a true believer in osas. Not a false believer (Free grace ir licentiousness) who claims he is isas osas

Maybe you can figure out what the difference is

 

[preacher4truth]

let’s see

Oops

The "oops" is on you. His belief in what are the true and false is different than yours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're correct, there is no person calling another persons salvation into question, as far as any person on here specifically. However, I do not consider the position of Free Grace Theology to be orthodox in some areas.



Could be true about the latter falling into said camp but I haven't paid attention to much of what they say. I don't believe EG falls into the former given his take on 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 therefore I tend to see him leaning toward the latter camp.

And once again your wrong and continue to bear false witness

You once again need to stop

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That pretty much sums it up. It's refreshing to see someone who knows what they're talking about for a change.

For the record, the former would be Biblical and the latter would be license and Antinomianism, a false gospel in my personal opinion. Christ addressed the latter in Matthew 7:21-23.

Well look there we agree on something
of course preacher will deny it.

 

[Judges1318]

I believe the second view as I believe it fits with 1 John and I am not Calvinist so I would not say it is a strictly Calvinist Belief. And unless I am Mistaken iBelieve The two you mentioned also believe that way

I thought so.
I know we haven't seen eye to eye on things, but I did understand you to be Calvinist leaning (not saying you are a Calvinist) in regard to the matter of sin in the life of the believer. You and preacher4truth are in agreement here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally-Gratefull is right there with you. He agrees that the person who lives in sin was never known by Jesus.

From what I've seen, your differences aren't in the matter of OSAS itself, but rather in the matters of election and predestination.

It’s amazing how many times preacher has orety Much been told this. Yet denies it. Then claims he holds no grudge

 

[preacher4truth]

Yep I am a true believer in osas. Not a false believer (Free grace ir licentiousness) who claims he is isas osas

Maybe you can figure out what the difference is

I totally disagree knowing your take on 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. You need to figure out what the difference is, you haven't thus far. That is why I see you leaning toward Free Grace Theology. Defending any person in practice of sin lends itself that way.

 

[preacher4truth]

I thought so.
I know we haven't seen eye to eye on things, but I did understand you to be Calvinist leaning (not saying you are a Calvinist) in regard to the matter of sin in the life of the believer. You and preacher4truth are in agreement here.

Sorry, but the above isn't true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure he is agreement with you that if a 'believer' is living in sin they are not saved to begin with. He has cited 1 John 3:6 before to make the point:

"6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him." - 1 John 3:6

Freegrace on the other hand, as you know, says the true believer can purposely continue in their old life of sin and still be very much saved. I don't think he believes that for a second. Neither do you, of course. You two are on common ground here.

Amen and John continues...He who is born of God can not continue in sin because they have been born if god

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope.

See
he can not fathom we agree on this basic truth. Which just proves he has no idea what I believe

 

[preacher4truth]

See
he can not fathom we agree on this basic truth. Which just proves he has no idea what I believe

We don't agree on this. I do know what you believe, and it is all on record on this site.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope, not according to his take on 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. In addition I don't subscribe to his gospel, so you're making some errors bro.

Dude
once again stop your lies. I am
Sick of you bearing false witness. You have been told before you misinterpret what I believe. Yet you continue to deny it. I will Not stand for this
While we have a different gospel. We believe in the same When it comes to perseverance if the saints or OSAS

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Disagree yet again. You probably need to read his beliefs again. We don't believe the same things.

As far as eternal security we do
as far as when we are saved we do not

Judges tried to tell you this. Now your calling him a liar too?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He can set the record straight but I'm almost certain he believes the sinning person in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 was never saved to begin with.


Which, as far as I've seen, involves matters of faith, election, and predestination, not the matter of the truly saved person being 1) forever and always saved, and 2) incapable of living in sin and unbelief again--the two things you agree with, too. But he can set me straight if I'm in error about what I think he believes.

You are correct in all you say
what he is mad at is I do not think a person who has some besetting sin determines a oersons salvation we all have our besetting sin and instead of judging someone else we should
Clean our own House

Adulterers. Those who live a lifestyle is adultry and continues as in 1 John 3. Have never been saved in my view just as Paul said in 1 cor 6
Preacher has a habit of misinterpreting me and continues that’s on him

 

[preacher4truth]

Dude
once again stop your lies. I am
Sick of you bearing false witness. You have been told before you misinterpret what I believe. Yet you continue to deny it. I will Not stand for this
While we have a different gospel. We believe in the same When it comes to perseverance if the saints or OSAS

There you go again, accusing of lying.

I don't "misinterpret" what you believe, instead I quote what you believe, then you deny it and do gymnastics with your own words when shown them. Just like you say you never have from the beginning ever taught you chose God. Want to go there and see that you have taught that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The "oops" is on you. His belief in what are the true and false is different than yours.

You still got it wrong

He agreed with me. And you still can not admit when you make
Mistakes. Sad

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We don't agree on this. I do know what you believe, and it is all on record on this site.

Yeah and every time you try to prove it you are proven wrong
you still want to go down this road after all that has happened these past few weeks?

 

[Magenta]

Because in Calvinism, God's grace is only given to people who have faith.
In Freegrace, God's grace is given to people who stop having faith.

Romans 5:8

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There you go again, accusing of lying.

I don't "misinterpret" what you believe, instead I quote what you believe, then you deny it and do gymnastics with your own words when shown them. Just like you say you never have from the beginning ever taught you chose God. Want to go there and see that you have taught that?

That’s funny. Because you were flat out told a few days ago you do misinterpret what I believe and then you got mad when I called out out on it and started calling me a liar

You really want to go here again? Because inwill quote that post which will bring that person back in here again
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