I have heard it said that faith is the instrument by which we accept what God has offered us
I agree. Faith has to play into the equation if one agrees to accept.
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I agree. Faith has to play into the equation if one agrees to accept.
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EleventhHour
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I have heard it said that faith is the instrument by which we accept what God has offered us
Yes ..... "through faith"
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eternally-gratefull
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No I disagree with this notion.
God gave both people the same opportunity. One had faith. One did not have faith
He who believes has life he who does
Not believe shall not see life but the wrath of God abides In him
He who believes is not condemned he who does not believe is condemned already
The one who was saved had faith
The one who did not believe died
Not because god did
Not give them faith. But because they saw god (The rescuer) and did
Not believe him
There are a few more.
Won't go into then now.
But I hope you can see and I think you do that actually the Bible you read and a different one can mess with your head.
What we have is the textus receptus which we get the KJV and translation from Tyndale etc.
Then we have the Nestle-Aland-Walcott for the more modern translation that we have today.
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eternally-gratefull
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The rescuer did not go to the two people and declaim he would offer salvation and save the one and just reject the other to even think this is horrific
When the bible says god gives each of us a measure of faith “us” in the passage refers to his children. Those who were rescued because they had faith in the one who came to rescue
Remember the word saved in the NT literally means to be rescued
When the bible says god gives each of us a measure of faith “us” in the passage refers to his children. Those who were rescued because they had faith in the one who came to rescue
Remember the word saved in the NT literally means to be rescued
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EleventhHour
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Agree.
Scripture is clear.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 10:17
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9
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eternally-gratefull
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I think the differences are not so deep but be Bible can lead another astray. With the exception of the not which is not a translation but a paraphrase. Which I would never recommend anyone use after we tried to use it in our church because so
Much easier to read. But ended up finding so Many errors we had to go back to the Nash
I think it does.
How am I saved and people who I witness to are not?
The Bible says we are saved by faith, if we have no faith then we are not saved.
Maybe I'm not getting what you are trying to convey (he says again but bear with me or humour me)
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eternally-gratefull
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God claims he is a god of love
If he does not love all people equally. (As non believers) Well then his claim is false.
Now. It does Not mean he has to save everyone. It means he has to give everyone the same chance. And if people reject him it is not because he did not love them. But that they wanted nothing to do with him
In this way no one will ever have any power to cause a rebellion in eternity. Because God proved his love by loving his enemy to the point of death.
Well,if God is the cause of your faith then it is not a work of man. If man is the cause of his faith it is man's work and therefore man is saved by works.
Dictionary definition of work...an effect made for a purpose.
Who is the "At least he brought something"
Well, at least he brought something written down. Lot's of hypothesis going on, very little truth due to very little scripture. I wonder if The MESSage got it even worse though? For the record the NLT is a translation not a paraphrase, or, so they say.
YLT puts renders it properly, as do most other versions:
Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that ye may believe in him whom He did send.'
It is apparent that believing is the work of God in the believer, not the work, decisive ability, free willing of, choosing or ability of man. 2 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 1:19; Romans 10:17; John 1:13; Ephesians 1:11; Romans 8:5-8; John 6:63 also affirm these things.
You, you brought some Bible into the discussion. It was a compliment.
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eternally-gratefull
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Yes
1 god died for us the ultimate sacrifice
Of Love
2 god showed himself to us
3 god convicted us of our sin and the penalty of that sin
4 God drew us to himself
5 he sent people to us to teach us spent a few thousand years giving us his word which we can read and be thought. Showed us through his word he is trustworthy and kind and long suffering. Not the god Satan wants us to see
6 works in our hearts as he draws us to himself by opening our Minds To his deep truths. As romans 1 days even all people Know they are justly condemned. All we need to do is be taught the good news if Jesus
7 in all this and much more is the work of God in our lives that brings us to faith (it is not our work it is his work)
Sadly like in John 6. Some take this power and have faith
Others take the same power and still will Die in unbelief
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eternally-gratefull
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God is the cause of our faith
However. Not the way you appear to think. We see it differently. But all the same. All glory goes To God
If god loves all people equally, why are some born blind, some never hear the word, some rich, some poor .....jacob I loved but Esau I hated. The empirical data refutes your claim.
God is a holy God, He can not love evil people unless He cleaned them...put them in Christ. If He loves them all the same He 2ould put them all In Christ.
From God.
I could not faith myself into God.
The Holy Spirit convicted me of my sin of unbelief.
I repented of that.
That is why the Holy Spirit came after Jesus went to heaven.
To convict the world of that sin.