How is that out for you in life? Are you like Christ in word and deed daily?
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So you who are under grace such that sin has no dominion over you, how is that working out for you? Are you sinless now? Do those who live and work with you find that you are sinless since you are under grace and sin has no dominon over you in your words and deeds?
1. I don't ask you to doubt your salvation. I ask you to focus on obeying the God you claim you have relationship with.I have witnessed @jackrosie talking with you for quite a few days about her relationship with God and assurance of salvation, and now you say none do?Many others do too, while you absolutely pooh-pooh their assurance of salvation.
Why should we doubt ours?
2. Jackrosie telling us how God supposedly took control over her such that she was powerless to resist HIm is not talking about her relationship with God. I do not know what happened to her but either her understanding is off or something else is at work.
3. You need to point out where you see this because I do not see that others have been doing this. I have talked with you enough to know that what you claim to see is not always there for others to see. Do you have any examples besides the "overpowering experience JR had where she had no choice but to surrender?" (I am not childish enough to use the jeers and emocons. It is like being in kindergarten at times where adult responses to matters are not possible.)
And everyone who lives and works with you finds that you are like Christ in word and deed? Or is this a statement of faith?
I have not insulted God Himself. But God gives me choice, like a gentleman. He does not overpower me like a mugger.
Yes. I’ve worked with them ~ 13 years. If they don’t know I’m a Christian, then there’s something wrong. But they know I’m His.
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EleventhHour
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Still licking your wounds I see... lost you attempts to have a little protégé....
You believe yourself to be saved yet deny others are saved!
Your mask is slipping again.
We are indeed set free sin once and for all.. @jackrosie understands the principles of the faith far better than you.
You think you please God with your daily sin confession for salvation.
God judged and forgave all sins when Jesus was dying.... so basically you stand in untruth, unrighteousness by denying the essence of the Gospel.
And you should be ashamed they way you address people with your haughty attitude ....especially since they are right and you
typically and most often are wrong.
Interesting how you wish to dictate how others are supposed to relate to God, and deny their experience/s in the way you choose to see it, though others understand. Interesting, but not surprising. Little emoticons are offensive to you also? Wow. It seems you have a lot of problems. Your biggest one may be yourself. Just something to consider.
That is not what I asked. I asked if your words and behaviour show that you are indeed free from all wrong towards them. Do you never ever do any wrong to any person because you are now under grace and free from sin? Free from sin means you do not sin. Do you?Yes. I’ve worked with them ~ 13 years. If they don’t know I’m a Christian, then there’s something wrong. But they know I’m His.
Why do I feel like I’m on a witness stand? I’m not sinless, no. And neither is any true believer.
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EleventhHour
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It is working as it should because that is the essence of the Gospel.
Do you even know the Gospel... did I state I am sinless .... No
I stated it has no dominion... because it is God that works in me to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose.
Do you understand Grace at all?
Not at all. I am sorry for her that she will become like you and did so within minutes of her deciding to follow you, but that is not my problem.
Who did I deny was saved?? I asked others to obey God. I did not judge anyone to be unsaved. This is the fruit of your theology. You falsely accuse.
Not wearing one, you are mistaken.
Well, when you stop sinning in your posts, then we can talk. So far the freedom from sin is not apparent.
Never said any such thing. You do not understand my position. I do not think about my salvation. I think about walking with Him and what He has for me each day.
I am direct, not haughty. And I do not flatter as some do here. My only desire is to present a walk with God that does not claim lofty holiness void of real love towards God and man but a real fellowship with Him that any man can have who is willing to pay the price. It is there. And it is not claimed by faith as he does not grant it to those who insist they have it already.
What experiences except the unpleasant one of JR who was so overpowered she had no choice?
The emotons are not offensive to me. Your understanding is wrong on many accounts. They are childish. But there are some adults here who can exchange in words. One just recognizes the babes who can only make faces instead.
There are many who have walked with God and as a result experienced the jeers and laughter and mocking from others. This is part of the price. One has grace from Him to call a spade "a spade" and still love the cards.
Then why do you claim grace has set you free from sin if you still sin and are not free at all?
IF the others around you to do not ALSO see that God is working in your to will and act on behalf for HIs good purpose, then it is not happening.
But I know the gospel often preached. You claim lofty descriptions for your life and deeds by faith and do not have to actually have any of that happen in real life choices is generally the "gospel" although I do not know how far you take it. IT is the "I am freed from sin and if you don't believe it I am going to hate you and beat you up" kind of response to others. What one actually does is divorced from the "delivered from sin" theology. Results in a lot of sin being done in the world. One member on a different thread asked a question because she has observed christians doing a number of very sinful choices and was wondering about it. This is exactly what I mean. Loudly claim delivered from sin and then being free to sin.
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EleventhHour
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Jesus paid the price... and yes we do have it already because it is not our self effort... but what Jesus accomplished that lives within us.
I don't think so, since the assertion that nobody (emphasized by following that claim with "not one") talks about their relationship with God as regards salvation shows an incredible blindness to the fact that saying we are saved by grace through faith is an affirmation of our relationship with God as it pertains to salvation... and that is specifically how God designed it
His Word will not return void 
Using the word "relationship" in a sentence with the word "salvation" is not talking about your relationship with God. But I asked you for examples because except for the strange one of JR, which was an experience not a relationship, I cannot recall any of you doing this. YOu claim it happens all the time and I do not see it. IS the above an example??? YOu mention the word in the same sentence and think that is talking about the relationship??I don't think so, since the assertion that nobody (emphasized by following that claim with "not one") talks about their relationship with God as regards salvation shows an incredible blindness to the fact that saying we are saved by grace through faith is an affirmation of our relationship with God as it pertains to salvation... and that is specifically how God designed it
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EleventhHour
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Your rhetoric means very little.
Unless you have facts do not bring your biases and faulty perceptions into the conversation.