He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
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E- How does the rest of God's promises in 2 Tim 2.11-13 fit into the one verse you quoted?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a trustworthy statement:For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
Vs 13 is not stand alone is it? There are other conditions in verse's 11-12, that explain Vs 13, right?
I read Vs 13 to mean that when we are faithless to God, God remains faithful to his covenant, because he will not deny what he says.
One cannot really just quote Vs 13 without verses 11-12 can they?
This the truth of eternal security.
I have know people who had true faith and then denied him and died denying him....If we seek to understand Verse 11 properly then God was faithful to his side of the covenant when they were faithless and he denied them, because they denied him because he will not deny what he says he will do and his word in Vs 11 makes it very clear...If we deny Him, He also will deny us.
This is falling away because of hurt and offense, backsliding, deception, etc.
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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DCON,
There are actually 8 major Bible covenants, which include the New covenant, which was made between God and all the house of Israel. The gentiles were grafted into the new Covenant, provisions of the Covenant include what you say it does.
People who teach works and self salvation can argue with me....let the deceivers argue with God....
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.