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John146 said:
Yes, announced by the Lord as prophecy yet the disciples did not understand because the gospel was hidden from them. Then what did the disciples preach if it was not the gospel of the d,b,r for sins?
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Paul states otherwise.....

Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preached, and this is what you believed" (1 Cor. 15:11).

That "Christ died for our sins" and the resurrection (1 Cor 15:3, 4)

So you would be wrong that apostles preached a different message.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Yes they did actually, because they preached Christ and as long as they preached Him they preached the ONE Gospel.
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So if I preach Christ (whatever that means) without mentioning how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again...can anyone be saved?
 
EleventhHour said:
Paul states otherwise.....

Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preached, and this is what you believed" (1 Cor. 15:11).

That "Christ died for our sins" and the resurrection (1 Cor 15:3, 4)

So you would be wrong that apostles preached a different message.
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They preached it after the cross...Paul wasn’t referring to before the cross.🤦‍♂️
 
John146 said:
They did not preach the death of Christ. They did not preach the burial of Christ. The did not preach the res of Christ.

Bottom line, If you and I preached what they preached, nobody would or could be saved.
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Of course they did:

(Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.)

(Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.)

(Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.)

The cross and resurrection right there in 5:30. But I have no doubt you will spin this to.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
Of course they did:

(Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.)

(Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.)

(Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.)

The cross and resurrection right there in 5:30. But I have no doubt you will spin this to.
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We are discussing the message the disciples preached before the cross. Thanks though.
 
(Acts 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached)

(Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him)

(Acts 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree)

(Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and showed him openly)
 
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EleventhHour said:
It was not a different Gospel .... as in, there was a different offer on the table.

That is wrong!!
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Well, it’s quite obvious they were not preaching Paul’s gospel which was specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.
 
John146 said:
Well, it’s quite obvious they were not preaching Paul’s gospel which was specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.
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Yet it was not a different offer was it.. maybe the start of the first offer but not different?

Mr. Feldick of course has to make it be this way to support his whole theory .. essentially this theory means Jesus had His apostles preach false news.

He knew what was going to happen, did He not?

It hinges on free will as being some kind of determining factor which explains why @Guojing need for free will to be paramount.

God does not play games.
 
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John146 said:
Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Nope, the KOH is a physical literal kingdom promised to the nation of Israel with their rightful king on David’s throne.
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As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly, and as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. ​
(1 Corinthians 15:49)​
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the heavenly is not earthly. it is distinct. "may it be on earth as it is in heaven"
 
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azamzimtoti said:
Most excellent eleventh already addressed your point:
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Lets look at this from a different angle.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has the end come? Why or why not? Paul stated that his gospel had been preached unto all nations. Hmmmmm...why hasn’t the end come...
 
John146 said:
Lets look at this from a different angle.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Has the end come? Why or why not? Paul stated that his gospel had been preached unto all nations. Hmmmmm...why hasn’t the end come...
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Ask yourself this - which gospel did Jesus say would be preached?
 
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