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EleventhHour said:
Despising your sin does not save you...
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I didn't say it does.

We can tell who came to the Lord because they hated their lives, and who came to the Lord to just get a free ticket out of jail by whether or not they are in a struggle with their old lives or have a 'it doesn't matter' Freegrace attitude about their sin.
 
Judges1318 said:
But do you believe a doctrine that says you can sin if you want in unbelief--not that you should, but that you can if you want and you will still be saved?
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Once a son always a son....,
7x70.....,
99 and 1,
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; no one will snatch them from my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them from my Father’s hand.

So many examples of the Agapao of God

Again, The Lord would not set a standard for men, that He wouldnt keep Himself...

We miss the mark all the time.... if we want to confess it or not....(But who are we fooling?)

Thank God for:
1John 1:9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness.

So when we do error, miiss the mark, sin....
 
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walknlight said:
Once a son always a son....,
7x70.....,
99 and 1,
John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; no one will snatch them from my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them from my Father’s hand.

So many examples of the Agapao of God

Again, The Lord would not set a standard for men, that He wouldnt keep Himself...

We miss the mark all the time.... if we want to confess it or not....(But who are we fooling?)

Thank God for:
1John 1:9 But if we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous, forgiving us our sins and cleansing us from all unrighteousness.

So when we do error, miiss the mark, sin....
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I think you missed the "in unbelief" part.
How can a person who has gone back to willful unbelief still be saved?
 
Judges1318 said:
I didn't say it does.

We can tell who came to the Lord because they hated their lives, and who came to the Lord to just get a free ticket out of jail by whether or not they are in a struggle with their old lives or have a 'it doesn't matter' Freegrace attitude about their sin.
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Everyone you describe has come to the Lord, but your focus is on the negative.
 
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Judges1318 said:
I didn't say it does.

We can tell who came to the Lord because they hated their lives, and who came to the Lord to just get a free ticket out of jail by whether or not they are in a struggle with their old lives or have a 'it doesn't matter' Freegrace attitude about their sin.
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Like I said there is only one way to come to the Lord ...................... and that is on HIS terms.

And so far, from what you have posted, I am not sure you know what His terms are?
 
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Judges1318 said:
I think you missed the "in unbelief" part.
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No.
That is a part of God's plan called predestination..

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose,
Rom 8:29 because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
There are many coming, that HE predestined, no matter how you/we feel about a person or their actions....
Only He knows this is the part you miss....

Judges1318 said:
How can a person who has gone back to willful unbelief still be saved?
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Aaron crafted the golden calf.
 
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Lightskin said:
Everyone you describe has come to the Lord, but your focus is on the negative.
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The focus is on being able to live in sin and it doesn't matter in Freegrace, because that's how grace is understood in that doctrine.

In the doctrine I defend the focus is on righteous living because in that doctrine it is understood that's what grace was given for. The mind is set on the things of the Spirit in accordance with Romans 8 in that doctrine.
 
walknlight said:
No.
That is a part of God's plan called predestination..

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose,
Rom 8:29 because those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that his Son would be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
There are many coming, that HE predestined, no matter how you/we feel about a person or their actions....
Only He knows this is the part you miss....
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A supposedly predestined person going back to unbelief isn't consistent with the surety of being conformed to the image of Christ.

walknlight said:
Aaron crafted the golden calf.
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But he didn't take them back to Egypt.
 
EleventhHour said:
I am not sure you know what His terms are
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I think you are the one who does not know that one of his terms is you must change your mind about the sin you've been living in. Generally speaking, I see no change of mind about sin in the Freegrace movement, only a continuance in it, excused and rationalized in a horrible misunderstanding of grace.

Grace was not given so you can continue in your old life if you want. Grace was given to you to set you free from your old life, not continue to live in it. Willful sin is ultimately unbelief--a refusal to acknowledge and accept God's forgiveness of sin.
 
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EleventhHour said:
Perhaps your time would be better spent coming to an understanding why @Judges1318 and other proponents of a "losable salvation"
are wrong.

So far I have not seen any attempt by you to support/make a case for your (false) beliefs.
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I wouldn't dare espouse MY beliefs except to say I stand on,in the word of God
My beliefs are in the 66 books of the Bible,do you need a better roadmap?
 
Magenta said:
Hello VCO, I did use that angel in a panel I designed last summer:

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There is not a lot of choice out there, which is why I have begun constructing my own angels :)

Like this one:

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And this one:

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PS to Dcon et alia: my apologies, I did just now click back through four pages
of posts to earlier this morning and saw the original quote from Numbers :D
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No need to apologise....how are you doing?
 
EleventhHour said:
Perhaps your time would be better spent coming to an understanding why @Judges1318 and other proponents of a "losable salvation"
are wrong.

So far I have not seen any attempt by you to support/make a case for your (false) beliefs.
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You my sister are being persecuted I see for the Namesake off our LORD and Savior...
This laughing post is nothing more than mocking you , and God has a lot to say about mockers...

First you are told you are not saved amongst other things before that statement , and now being laughed at , Jesus said this would happen , count your blessings sister , you are under His protection...
...xox...
 
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