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EleventhHour
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Well there is always hope.. but not likely ... I will go back and read.
Not By Works
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Well there is always hope.. but not likely ... I will go back and read.
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EleventhHour
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Haahahahaha Nooooooooo.....Vanity and vexation of spirit....this was his conclusion and trying and having everything.......in the end old age, misery, physical ailments and death....all the pleasure the world has to offer loses it's luster when "gold and silver" is nothing to be accounted of......all those wives hahah
Well, he was trying to have every woman alive it seemed.
Yes I see what you are saying... having read his words he was very unfulfilled in the midst of plenty.
Here you go, Eleventh Hour. See especially the first sentence of first paragraph and first sentence of second paragraph.
See also 119,863, where I gave further clarification for him to consider
Hidden in plain sight. There are verses which are quite literally hidden within plain sight. Because of doctrinal ghettos, these scriptures can be read and through the filter of these ghettos the human mind "fills in the blanks". And by filling in the blanks we may MISS the full extent of what is being said. Consider the below scriptures:
Galatians 5
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Upon first cursory glance this looks to be a "Works of the Law Cannot Earn Salvation" message. And you would be right.
BUT, lets look a little closer.
1) You have become estranged from Christ (meaning they were with Christ. They received salvation by Faith in Christ Jesus at some point in the past).
2) you have fallen from grace (further confirming point 1 above. For only those who were in God's grace could possibly fall FROM God's grace).
3) For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith (ever given any thought as to why this is FORWARD LOOKING? We (Paul included) Hoping (expectation for a future event) Righteousness by Faith (but many here say it was done and dusted at conversion).
Think about all of the debates we have been having on the forum. Look closely at the scriptures above. Ask God to show you. Faith is a continual process.
Galatians 5
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Upon first cursory glance this looks to be a "Works of the Law Cannot Earn Salvation" message. And you would be right.
BUT, lets look a little closer.
1) You have become estranged from Christ (meaning they were with Christ. They received salvation by Faith in Christ Jesus at some point in the past).
2) you have fallen from grace (further confirming point 1 above. For only those who were in God's grace could possibly fall FROM God's grace).
3) For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith (ever given any thought as to why this is FORWARD LOOKING? We (Paul included) Hoping (expectation for a future event) Righteousness by Faith (but many here say it was done and dusted at conversion).
Think about all of the debates we have been having on the forum. Look closely at the scriptures above. Ask God to show you. Faith is a continual process.
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EleventhHour
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EleventhHour
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He is all about obedience because he is earning salvation... not my view and I know not yours.
Nice one Discern. That was a really good posting and says a lot.
Luke 17 9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded [e]him? I think not. 10 So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’ ”
So there’s no way on earth that our works earn salvation, because any obedience that we do is mere duty. They don’t put any credits on our account towards justification. Jesus paid it all.
We serve God out of love and because that is what we were created to do. Spiritual resurrection is the first phase in bringing everything in Is back to its original purpose. Titus 2:14
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EleventhHour
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No need... if salvation (the gift) is losable then it is earned/maintained.
I believe in continual faith.
I think waiting for the hope of righteousness is in regards to glorification, when we shall be like Him for we shall see Him us He is, and perhapscalso progressive sanctification, which is when we are transformed from glory to glory as we are beholding His Face by the Spirit. 2 Cor 3:18
I've read what you've read in regards to Chris and wouldn't expect an honest answer if he is willing to twist words and create false arguments in order to push his subtle yet not points....
This was a response to someone who never said not to be obedient. The point they made is that it is the obedience or righteousness of Jesus that will be what justifies us opposed to what we do in our walk.....
Not genuine in the slightest. It is an attack and an unfounded accusation hidden in the claim that our obedience needs to meet a requirement for us to have trust or faith in our salvation.
>Correct. Works don't earn salvation.
>Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone. His blood is the atoning sacrifice. We cannot earn this. It required perfection, which he accomplished by fulfilling the law in full, perfectly. They crucified him, applying the death penalty to an innocent man. He became the scapegoat and we the goat that was set free. Jesus was crucified but Barabbus (us) set free.
>Obedience is evidence of FAITH
>Disobedience is evidence OF UNBELIEF
>Repentance is evidence of FAITH
>Apostasy - falling away from the faith is possible due to continued, willfull, unrepentant sin in a persons life that leads him/her away from the Faith.
>By Grace you are saved THROUGH FAITH.
>If by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body you will live.
>Those who ARE CHRISTS have crucified the flesh and its desires.
I know whom I have believed and I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I’ve committed to Him against that day.
Anything I hold on to can be lost. Anything I commit to Him, will not be lost.
Salvation cannot be earned. Righteousness is imputed to us. It is received through faith (we believe in Jesus Christ). It can be lost through Apostasy. I have just posted a passage in Galatians above which proves this.
Your faith needs to be a continual faith. Not a One-Time Faith. One time faith will not save you.
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