Then be careful. My advice to you is to thank God for the fullness of Jesus Christ and his complete works.
Not By Works
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The guy DC is talking to pushes works salvation, hence why DC says it’s false.
this topic moves so fast i just always go to latest page lolz
God’s grace is not limited to our finite years on earth. You have salvation the microsecond you believe in Jesus with all your heart. Trials and tribulations which can weaken one’s faith does not weaken God’s grace.
Chose to persevere to the end??
So if one is saved before the beginning of time then one must know they are saved in order to choose to persevere.
If so how do they know they are saved?
It can't be because they choose to persevere because they have already been saved before perseverance. But you say that you are only saved if you persevere to the end.
Now if one does not persevere then we can say that they were never saved to begin with?
But if we have been saved before the beginning of time then we choose nothing, but God has chosen us.
If that is the case then Jesus is correct in saying that he will lose non who has been given to him.
Therefore we can conclude that it is our faith in him (which he said we need in order to be saved) and it is he that will us through to the end as a result of faith in him.
We do choose to persevere with us and not the other way around.
Saved by faith unto works.
Bold statement above.
Clarify what it means to have believed in Jesus 100% if you don't mind.
we thank our precious Lord and Saviour daily, The One Who shed His Holy blood for us,
and suffered MORE that any human who has ever lived -
we hope and pray that all who love Him and serve Him may pay Him His due respect
in the way we walk/live -
as it is written:
1JOHN 2:6 'He that says he abides in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.
this is THE 'gold-standard' that we all should desire to live up to!
everybody that already thinks that they have reached this state of 'perfection',
(Please Raise Your Hand)...
PHI. 3:11-12.
If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12.
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after,
if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
and suffered MORE that any human who has ever lived -
we hope and pray that all who love Him and serve Him may pay Him His due respect
in the way we walk/live -
as it is written:
1JOHN 2:6 'He that says he abides in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.
this is THE 'gold-standard' that we all should desire to live up to!
everybody that already thinks that they have reached this state of 'perfection',
(Please Raise Your Hand)...
PHI. 3:11-12.
If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12.
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after,
if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
Pretty sure everyone chooses to persevere through all things. But then we find out that our conscious choice doesn't turn out to be the deciding factor in a whole lot of things.
yes its God's grace that we can persevere.
Those scripture passages you posted do not destroy the scripture passages about everyone's need to persevere until the end.
And I live, now not I; but Christ liveth in me. And that I live now in the flesh: I live in the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered himself for me.
Nobody has salvation without first persevering until the end.
Yes, I know you do. I apologize that in my haste to post (pressed for time today), I did not make my intentions abundantly clear.
"12 We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us." 1 Corinthians 2... TRUE.
