Not By Works
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This may be apples and oranges but to me it’s like people who win the lottery or escape catastrophe, and their reaction is that they were lucky. No, they were not lucky, they were BLESSED.
We are BLESSED to have God’s grace rain down upon us and reign for all eternity. But I digress, some people are just lucky enough to save themselves, I guess.
Philia - love between equals, Eros - sexual intimate love, Storge - parental love child parent are all two way.
Agape - charity, is given to meet a need, not expecting something back, unconditional.
The problem with love without conditions, is God does not give this love.
God does not love those sent to the lake of fire, there is no hope for them.
God does not love Satan or the demons who go to the lake of fire, there is no forgiveness for them.
God loves the elect, because they are purchased as His Holy people, called by His name, worthy of
who He is.
God shows grace, the ability to warn, and if there is a response to relent on judgement.
Is it loving for people to die in pain and suffering? Is it loving to let cruel evil men torture
and have others as their victims? Is it loving to let children be sacrificed to idols, yet this
continued for thousands of years.
God shows His love, His involvement and His protection in very specific situations and circumstances.
God ordered men, women and children killed. Moses argued for the sparing of people who had sinned
in Israel, and for God not to wipe them out. And the reason, because it would dishonour Gods promises
and His love and faithfulness, not because the people deserved anything. God does everything for reasons
and has His conditions.
Nineveh was spared because they repented. Israel was rejected and judged because of unbelief.
God is 100% consistent, so to cross Him is risking everything.
It is pure ignorance of Israel to not see Gods nature.
The latest and greatest deceiver to be posting in CC.....and in the this thread........EG, I, Bones, and a handful of others engaged him yesterday in his thread and he made his way over here......already peddling a losable salvation and has consistently devalued JESUS, his blood and work on the cross.....you engaged him yesterday as well.......the page before this one.....
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No worries.
I did state that is was very, very hot in Italy and I thought you were warning me that it was hot in the "Not By Works" thread...lol
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UnderGrace
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I feel like you are stringing concepts together that are not really connected here, not really about literalizing everything more about keeping the meaning in context of the larger text.
Now this is ironic. A word said to imply something that they feel was bad sent to someone who
turned out in their eyes to be good. So apologies given in case they got upset.
It is like putting out a man trap and catching your own people, and saying opps, never meant to
man trap my own. It is this kind of intention that is truly upsetting. There is a proverb that says
something similar
11 If they say, "Come along with us; let's lie in wait for someone's blood, let's waylay some harmless soul;
12 let's swallow them alive, like the grave, and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things and fill our houses with plunder;
Prov 1
32 The wicked lie in wait for the righteous, seeking their very lives;
33 but the LORD will not leave them in their power or let them be condemned when brought to trial.
34 Wait for the LORD and keep his way. He will exalt you to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, you will see it.
Psalm 37
I have to say it is so odd to me, those who would bring peace and love be told they are wrong.
When you try to find out where they are wrong, it is everything, and nothing.
You need to trust Christ, and ignore sin. You are to rest, and do nothing. These contradictions continue
because reading scripture and having the Lord speaking to your heart is wrong, you must only see things
one way. No fear, no sin conviction, no doing things for self, no serving or working in the church.
There is no scripture you can follow without the right teacher to listen to.
I will stick with my heart and Christ, Amen.
7 For there are three that testify:
8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
9 We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.
10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart.
1 John 5
The Spirit rejoices, the water of baptism buried and raised with Christ, the blood cleansed and purified
our sins of the past forgiven. Amen
"satanic lies" - .
What does it feel like to call someone brother and then be told you are speaking satanic lies?
If anything is an attempt at de-platforming anyone, this is it.
And imagine if one believes such words have eternal significance. But like some teenagers who
swear a lot to show how big they are, dc seems to use language in the same way yet claims to know
God on a one to one relationship. God help His soul.
I might not agree with your propositions, but such arrogance and judgementalism without grace is
simply sinful.
I am impressed with Jesus talking to Nicodemus. He questioned Nicodemus understanding but never
suggested he was speaking satans lies. This only seems to come up when Jesus is accused of being
filled with an evil spirit. It is interesting who is starting this language and exchange, like thorns
and thistles. God bless you
Hey guys, I have this gun I can blast at people whenever they get things wrong
They get rather upset, but collateral damage for the greater good.
"Satanic lies" - Bit like a spiritual hand grenade.
Problem is calling things satanic is often mixed up with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Especially if the target is a professing loving believer in Jesus.
But if ones game is to turn amiable conversation into tearing chunks out of others, it works.
I mean amiable people are much harder to demonise, than satans spawn.
So we have had love is hate, law breaker is lawless, trust in Christs work is satanic lies, the
agenda to raise alarm and danger is very high. They must be really getting rattled.
Praise the Lord for He is good, and His ways prosper. The truth is the arrows of the evil one bounce
off the shield of faith and are incapable of piecing the breast plate of righteousness.
The sword of the Spirit cuts and wounds, and does not return empty of void, Amen.
They get rather upset, but collateral damage for the greater good.
"Satanic lies" - Bit like a spiritual hand grenade.
Problem is calling things satanic is often mixed up with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Especially if the target is a professing loving believer in Jesus.
But if ones game is to turn amiable conversation into tearing chunks out of others, it works.
I mean amiable people are much harder to demonise, than satans spawn.
So we have had love is hate, law breaker is lawless, trust in Christs work is satanic lies, the
agenda to raise alarm and danger is very high. They must be really getting rattled.
Praise the Lord for He is good, and His ways prosper. The truth is the arrows of the evil one bounce
off the shield of faith and are incapable of piecing the breast plate of righteousness.
The sword of the Spirit cuts and wounds, and does not return empty of void, Amen.
This is the PRACTICE of the enemy of Christ to sow doubt,judgement and discord! I praise the Lord for the MANY who are able to withstand these assults,I have been in the ring myself! I also praise Him that NOTHING anyone says against me can destroy my faith and walk in Him!
I apologized because my brethren who is saved by grace through faith need not worry about anything or anywhere being too hot. People who do not embrace the fullness of God’s grace and the completion of Christ’s works are the ones who need to worry. Hence why there was an apology towards one and not towards another. It’s not rocket science.
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There is an obvious problem here, it is called engagement and labelling.
I do not know who is truly walking with Jesus and who is not, thankfully, because when some are finding it hard,
I would condemn too much and those who were on a high I would support too much. So if I can just encourage
Amen.
I have seen people struggle with their daily lives and their walk in Jesus. Their words do not reflect the beauty
within, but they often find wrong things a struggle and let things they could resolve go. So it takes time to hear
and see and minister. But the super disciples can condemn some to hell while others are certain in Christ.
Jesus only condemned those who marked Him out as evil and refused an open door. Often when people are alone
in the quiet room, they are their real selves, and here is where the Lord needs to minister. In this forum, more like
a tank warfare, with missiles flying, which is far from the Holy Spirit speaking to peoples hearts.
10 "Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
11 The LORD Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress
Psalm 46
I stand amazed at those who claim JESUS yet support those that peddle SATANIC lies that are contrary to the truth <----GUILT by association.....going to be some people paying dearly at the Great White Throne and so FAR TWO supposed BELIEVERS have thrown in the LOT defending the following a - h
The FOLLOWING peddled beliefs ARE NOT OF GOD and are directly from or of SATAN....ALL that defend them by default are opposing JESUS and throwing the lot in with the devil
a. JESUS did not enter the Holiest in HEAVEN
b. JESUS did not have any blood to sprinkle on the mercy seat before the throne
c. Salvation can be lost <--cited two examples that do not prove the loss of salvation
d. Once for all does not mean once for all
e. Future sins must be atoned for because the work of the cross does not cover future sins
f. A constant circular reasoning and rejection of the truth
g. Devalues JESUS, his work, his blood
h. Attributes scriptures applied unto the Anti-Christ in Daniel to JESUS
The FOLLOWING peddled beliefs ARE NOT OF GOD and are directly from or of SATAN....ALL that defend them by default are opposing JESUS and throwing the lot in with the devil
a. JESUS did not enter the Holiest in HEAVEN
b. JESUS did not have any blood to sprinkle on the mercy seat before the throne
c. Salvation can be lost <--cited two examples that do not prove the loss of salvation
d. Once for all does not mean once for all
e. Future sins must be atoned for because the work of the cross does not cover future sins
f. A constant circular reasoning and rejection of the truth
g. Devalues JESUS, his work, his blood
h. Attributes scriptures applied unto the Anti-Christ in Daniel to JESUS
Other than c which I already know you embrace do you support the following? By your stance with Petey and what you said you seen to support the following...?
a. JESUS did not enter the Holiest in HEAVEN
b. JESUS did not have any blood to sprinkle on the mercy seat before the throne
c. Salvation can be lost <--cited two examples that do not prove the loss of salvation
d. Once for all does not mean once for all
e. Future sins must be atoned for because the work of the cross does not cover future sins
f. A constant circular reasoning and rejection of the truth
g. Devalues JESUS, his work, his blood
h. Attributes scriptures applied unto the Anti-Christ in Daniel to JESUS
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UnderGrace
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I think you left out the most important Practice.... promoting falsehood contrary to the faith.
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eternally-gratefull
Guest
Remember,
Its ok for them to say we HATE GOD
Its ok for them to say WE HATE GODS LAW
Its ok for them to say we HATE OBEDIENCE
Its ok for them to say we LOVE SIN
Etc etc etc....
But how dare we say anything about their belief...
The problem with this list, is how true is it? Based on lists created before I have no confidence.
Issues that are priorities
1. We can walk away for life and love
2. Future sins cannot be covered from the past, as they may never exist
So if we agree on these points, amen.
The other points would need investigation, but I would not break fellowship with a brother
over them. So as normal, calling something satanic is miles too far.
On this basis all amenian brothers and sisters in Christ are not in Christ at all.
It is this level of judgementalism that is distressing. We have on these forums people who once
were armenian and now reformed, but they do not disown their spiritual walk. And on this point
everything else rests. Jesus will work these issues out as we grow in grace and love and hear
His voice speaking to our hearts.
Imagine a brother or sister in Christ so discouraged they walk away because of some dismissal
calling them satanic. Is this the value one is prepared to pay for such extreme labels and
judgements. Would you strip Jesus and His love from a brother and sister who is insecure but
knows His embrace?
To be honest I disagree with point 1
But agree what 3-4.
Point 1.
Anyone on here who wants to be like Jesus does not hate God.
Point 2.
Not sure I can make a point here.
Because ones interpretation either side of the equation and it's application.
Possible miscommunication.
Points 3-4
Don't get me started.
To say such a thing to a person who wants to be like Jesus and accuse them off that is shameful and judgemental to the core.
Circular reasoning concerning point 2.
Yes we love Gods law. That's the law of love.
I STAND IN THE WORD OF GOD, GENESIS TO REVELATIONS,RIGHTLY DIVIDED AS THE HOLY SPIRIT LEADS ME! I FOLLOW HIM ONLY ...NOT MAN NOR MAN'S INTERPRETATIONS! GOD DOES NOT LEAD ASTRAY THOSE THAT SEEK HIM WITH A SINCERE AND OPEN HEART!