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NoNameMcgee
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if you deny the ability to overcome sin
you deny the power of the holyspirit
you tell me what sin is too great to stop doing
2 Timothy 3
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts
you deny the power of the holyspirit
you tell me what sin is too great to stop doing
2 Timothy 3
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts
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I was trying to find a pair of pants in a M shape. Found a few but too provocative to post.
On a serious note though
Proverbs 18:21
The tongue can bring death or life;
those who love to talk will reap the consequences.
You are right with your quote.
We do have the ability to overcome sin and no sin is great that we cannot overcome.
But to me we have to get a true grip/underesting of what sin is. The totality of sin
We know to sin is to miss mark.
We need to ask God to search our innermost being.
To me it's not just a case of what we do it's a case of what we do and don't do.
We tend to look at the external but neglect the internal.
Psalms 139:23-24
Search me, O God, and know my heart;
Try me, and know my anxieties;
And see if there is any wicked way in me,
And lead me in the way everlasting.
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NoNameMcgee
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i agree completely
its not just what we DO in deed or thought or word
but what we dont do
id say the ladder is actually harder to notice in daily life
It is.
That's why I think we need to brave enough to ask God to search our hearts.
I say brave because it's laying ourselves before God. In effect saying to him "Tell me like it is"
Unless we do this I think we miss out on blessings, not material blessings but the blessing of knowing who God truly is and how he will help us.
I love the following verse
Job 38:3
Brace yourself like a man,
because I have some questions for you,
and you must answer them.
To me If we are prepared to ask God to search our innermost being then we must prepared to brace ourselves and take it like a man.
Its scary and frigthening but truth is we have nothing to fear.
Trust me as a man who asked the question and continues to do so "Search me" I was waiting for a slap down
I know you love to study and seek God.
Read Job 33-42.
It blew my mind and still does.
Some have misunderstood the Lord. Jesus is saying I walked your road without sin
so can you. We have to change, by faith, by walk, by heart.
The first step is to believe it is possible. The next step is to know you are cleansed.
The third is to walk in this.
Arriving is about the Lord and communion with Him, and like walking on water we will
but not know it. Because it is about being not arriving, flowing and giving not resting on
achievement. So I do not know how I walk, I just strive to walk in love.
And you respond like I am bringing a curse rather than saying this love is everything.
Maybe you write off the very thing God is proud of. Moses a humble man was so humble
he was denying Gods choice. You all have histories, I am just saying Jesus is saying see
where you are and what God has done and is doing and rejoice, this is the Kingdom, you
have nothing to prove just open the door and let the love out.
so can you. We have to change, by faith, by walk, by heart.
The first step is to believe it is possible. The next step is to know you are cleansed.
The third is to walk in this.
Arriving is about the Lord and communion with Him, and like walking on water we will
but not know it. Because it is about being not arriving, flowing and giving not resting on
achievement. So I do not know how I walk, I just strive to walk in love.
And you respond like I am bringing a curse rather than saying this love is everything.
Maybe you write off the very thing God is proud of. Moses a humble man was so humble
he was denying Gods choice. You all have histories, I am just saying Jesus is saying see
where you are and what God has done and is doing and rejoice, this is the Kingdom, you
have nothing to prove just open the door and let the love out.
I think the first step is to know you are cleansed by faith.
The next step is to believe that Jesus can help us.
The third step is to trust him to help us to walk the walk.
I would say though that as a true believer we will know we aren't walking the walk and ask Jesus to walk with us.
We have nothing to prove to God, in fact he has proven to us his very nature.
He loves us as much as he loves Jesus. Jesus loves us as much as God loves him.
We should all aspire to be like Jesus and love like Jesus.
Then the world will know we are his disciples.
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eternally-gratefull
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452 pages to explain it's not of works
And it will keep growing as long as the minions of false gospels keep pushing false gospels that have no power and double cursed.......
Grace dia faith....the bible is clear!
When you get salvation right then come tell me I have my doctrine skewed...my statement is good regardless of you abilitiy to open your eyes and see it...JESUS works through us as a living sacrifice and exactly why ALL GLORY GOES TO GOD....wake up Fran!
Another problem is the perception of sin...every sin we will ever commit has already been dealt with at the cross.....Jesus paid the price with the proverbial blank check (his blood) only unbelief will keep one from that continually abounding grace that deals with our sin as we sin.......end of story.....sin is not the issue....a lack of belief is!
Judas was a devil from the beginning, was never saved and dis not seek repentance in Jesus..he went to the priests which NEVER BROUGHT FORGIVENESS FOR SIN.....HEBREWS....
Absolutely....grace dia faith VOID OF WORKS AND THE SHENNAGINS OF MEN AND FALSE GOSPELS
Bro....you will never be completely sinless until you have a glorified body.....the bible is clear...those who claim to be sinless are lying....Paul, John amd even JESUS covers this....while there were saved, immeresed Apostles whi had the ability to raise the dead, cure the sick and cast out devils he said there is NONE GOOD BUT GOD....YES...in Jesus we can suppress and manage most sins, but to be completely sinless is false....John was clear...he used WE, WE, WE, AND US to describe ALL who say they HAVE NO SIN IN THE PRESENT TENSE!
Don't let spongebob get you down...another false one who pushes works and sinless perfectionism....both false!
The best way to describe this accurately is to be FITTING OUT OUR SALVATION......adding the fruit listed....like add to your faith virtue, add to virtue........etc......growth and maturity just like a baby learns hand eye coordination, to walk, to talk etc......a child by birth needs growth and maturity or remain a babe in Christ