Not By Works

[BillG]

Faith alone is dead and cannot save.

Could you explain that more?

So what saved the thief on the cross.
Can the explain that more?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Are you kidding? You don't know the New Covenant to come was promised by God?

"By so much also, Jesus has become the guarantee [/surety] of a better covenant." Hebrews 7:22 [blb]

 

[dcontroversal]

You should pay attention to your behavior and not mine.
I never said I don't sin.
YOU, OTOH, have constantly played God and told some of us here that we're going to hell.
How this is allowed on a Christian forum,,,do DO NOT understand.

Try to follow Jesus and be a disciple of Jesus...
If one is...it should show and be visible to everyone reading along.

Fran...quit lying and get some honesty and integrity......The bible is clear and what I judge by the word are the false gospels with no power to save....like what you peddle....Now.....you are here breaking the rules of this site, have lied openly about being banned and back again and nothing you say carries any weight for those that know you....peddling an obedience laced salvation that is losable and must be maintained by works or obedience while CONSTANTLY being deceptive, lying and not being obedient does not bode well for what you espouse and peddle.......end of story....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Fran...quit lying and get some honesty and integrity......The bible is clear and what I judge by the word are the false gospels with no power to save....like what you peddle....Now.....you are here breaking the rules of this site, have lied openly about being banned and back again and nothing you say carries any weight for those that know you....peddling an obedience laced salvation that is losable and must be maintained by works or obedience while CONSTANTLY being deceptive, lying and not being obedient does not bode well for what you espouse and peddle.......end of story....

Why do people respond to her? Are not people sick of that stuff?

 

[BillG]

Could you explain that more?

The passage in James.
Faith without works is dead.

Look at the whole chapter, that is what he was addressing.

You go to church one day. Have arranged a meal out with the family after the service.
Know that others can't put food on the table but you still to out to the family meal.
Is your faith dead?

James 2:14-18

Faith Without Works Is Dead
(cf. Gen. 22; Josh. 2)
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Interesting way you present salvation.
"God saves those who love Him by obeying Jesus."

That is what scripture says.

Proverbs 8:17 I love those who love me,

John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

John 14:23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yeah. When you don't agree with @dcontroversal you're dishonesr, or a liar, or unfair, or you didn't read correctly...etc etc.

Boy,,,,talk about boasting in ones self....he can't even accept a disagreement !
He's way up there on a VERY HIGH pedestal....
and yet, he says he does not boast in himself....which would mean he's humble...
humble persons do not place themselves on a pedestal.
LOL

Liars and deceivers and those who are here breaking the rules of this site in pretense have no weight in what they say.....how does your dishonesty and no integrity keep you saved Fran....

 

[YourTruthGod]

I hold that without communion with God and the cross it is impossible to be good.

Who is talking about atheists? Strange how people go that route when trying to defend faith alone.

Mans nature is to refuse Gods authority and deny His position which itself is sinful.

That sounds like Luther and Calvin teachings.

The focus only on self leads to sinful self justification, which leads to death.

What? Being saved is about a personal relationship with God.

If I desire something that is someone elses, I can justify my own needs above theirs and take it.

I have no idea what you are saying.

It is this very corruption that causes people to fall into sin and lose focus on their place within
life and the community.

I am interested how far your theology goes.

You need to explain yourself better for me to understand you.

 

[dcontroversal]

My point still stands, take James White for example, I guarantee you he knows more about "the greek" than anyoen on this forum. Yet the OTHER people who also know "the greek" disagree with James White.

ANd might I add: what language did the heretics in the apostolic times speak? YOu guessed it, greek! So they had the same writings, they knew the greek language and it did them no good!

I may not know greek, but I do know more than one language so I can compare how things are translated, and you can pick up any Bible and get the true doctrine from it, whether its NIV ESV NASB KJV NKJV etc. I trust the translators and ive compared the translations, they all say pretty much the same thing, many translators dont believe in baptism by immersion, yet their view isnt carried on to the translation ive noticed. Thats my opinion, if you dont like it, keep it moving, im not forced into agreeing.

The Holy Spirit leads into all truth!

N thats my last word on that topic. Lets leave it at that. We dont agree on that point!

I never said one cannot get correct doctrine from a translation....so...embellishing it to that point man does not speak well at all.....and I could care less...the problem is not with the GREEK.....the problem is with those who translate it....end of story...and to deny the fact that the GREEK BRINGS OUT NUANCES AND VERB tenses that ENGLISH does not bring forth is just pure ignorance....end of story.....honesty goes a long way man!!

 

[dcontroversal]

The Jews had to do the purification works of the law. That is how they cleaned themselves, purified themselves, thus the name purification works. Those purification works of the law justified the Jews. Those purification works of the law were righteous acts.

Those purification works included the blood of animals.

When the people did the righteous acts of the law, which included animal blood, their not really being sorry for their sins made that animal blood sacrifice as a FILTHY RAG SACRIFICE.

Wrong again....embellished and or conflated truths = lies and falsehood.....

 

[YourTruthGod]

Legalism

The tendency for legalism is righteousness without a heart.
Jesus put it like understanding rules but not mercy, faithfulness and justice.

It was the issues of empathy and love from the heart they missed while extolling the moral laws,
while not keeping them at the same time.

Jesus also criticised the legalists for having hearts full of greed and self indulgence rather than
love and listening and following Gods ways.

So I am not against the moral law, or the law of the Spirit, but motivated from a changed heart
which leads to victory and righteousness.

We have to obey Jesus and humble ourselves and repent of sins to have a heart he saves by living in.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Who is kidding who?

If the tax collector fell on his knees and asked God for mercy as EG states what is he doing?

The tax collector's REPENTED of their sins.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

 

[YourTruthGod]

This is supposed to refute what I said?

He lives in a heart HE HAS CLEANSED!! Because the person became BANCRUPT

When are you going to start to give God credit?


Poor -
πτωχός, -ή, -όν, (πτώσσω, to be thoroughly frightened, to cower down or hide one’s self for fear; hence πτωχός prop. one who slinks and crouches), often involving the idea of roving about in wretchedness [see πένης, fin.; “but it always had a bad sense till it was ennobled in the Gospels; see Mt. 5:3; Lk. 6:20, cf. 2 Co. 8:9” (L. and S. s. v. I.)]; hence
1. in class. Grk. from Hom. down, reduced to beggary, begging, mendicant, asking alms: Lk. 14:13, 21; 14:20, 22.
2. poor, needy, (opp. to πλούσιος): Mt. 19:21; 26:9, 11; Mk. 10:21; 12:42, 43; 14:5, 7; Lk. 18:22; 19:8; 21:3; Jn. 12:5, 6, 8; 13:29; Ro. 15:26; 2 Co. 6:10; Gal. 2:10; Jas. 2:2, 3, 6; Rev. 13:16; in a broader sense, destitute of wealth, influence, position, honors; lowly, afflicted:
3. univ. lacking in anything,

Yeah, Sounds like the tax collector.

When are you going to do this?


He was poor in spirit. He got on his knees unable to look up to God. Because he was bankrupt. He did this, Because he had faith in God.


Blessed are those who are poor in spirit.

Once again, Scripture is right, and you are wrong.

The poor in spirit is the person's spirit; it is a person who is humble and lowly and contrite.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The poor in spirit is the person's spirit; it is a person who is humble and lowly and contrite.

I gave you the greek defenition

Your wrong

But you have no desire to study greek (your words) so you will never see the truth in this matter.

 

[YourTruthGod]

John 3:16 would say otherwise.

God so loved THE WORLD is about God loving His creation.
God doesn't even know you personally until you love Him by obeying Him.

 

[dcontroversal]

Got to love deceivers that disagree with the following truths......speaks multitudes to who leads them!!!!!!
And God is not it.....

Salvation is a once for all act with present continuing results.....It is all Christ, his power, his promises, his faith, his work.....eternal/everlasting mean exactly that....it is not temporal based upon what we do or don't do....and no matter the "experience" there is only one way to be saved, by grace through faith and that faith comes by hearing the word of God

 

[YourTruthGod]

Look it up for yourself.
Sheep/Goat, those Jesus said to that he never knew them.

I think I know what scripture you misunderstand. You have to post it though.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why do people respond to her? Are not people sick of that stuff?

For the ones she leads astray is the only reason I am.....she peddles and portrays herself as this righteous tenant of truth....and I flat despise frauds and those with no honesty or integrity

 

[NoNameMcgee]

We have to obey Jesus and humble ourselves and repent of sins to have a heart he saves by living in.

well this is not found in scripture.... in any translation


Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

 

[YourTruthGod]

A claimed faith is not faith.

He did not warn us about it..




Meaning no faith..It does not measn faith alone.






You preach salvation by works. And reject the cross

I teach obedience to christ as do everyone here who you are attacking with your false gospel. We believe Gods truth, there is no such thing as faiht alone, FAITH WORKS.

I am not making anything up. I am interpreting what you say.

You just said it again, You have said it numerous times

1. Salvation must be earned
2. Faith PLUS works save

Do you now deny saying these things?

You are not speaking the truth about me.

Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone.

Jesus tells us who he saves and why.
He tells us what to do to get saved.

Grace is that we come to God through Jesus' shed blood on the cross, and we repent of our sins and have faith that his blood washes us clean of the SINS we REPENT of doing.