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and she, too -- God had not said ((per the text)) that they were forbidden to touch the tree. but she added 'and you must not touch it' when she recounted what He had commanded.
this is eisegesis.
sin & death had not entered the world; there was nothing to be 'saved' from. nothing to 'repent' of.
it's as though you're trying to cram your mainstream-religious-human works-based view of eternal life as wages to be earned, rather than a gift, into the text. but it doesn't fit.
what Satan did was tell her God had lied to them, that He threatened death when there was none.
isn't what you tell us is that God has lied to us also?
because God says, the just shall live by faith. God says to us that believing, you shall have life, and though the one who believes may die, they will live forever ((John 11:25 e.g.)) - but you say, the just shall live by their works, and those who believe will die if their works don't measure up, their faith notwithstanding.
is that not so? if it's not, then speak plainly how you believe eternal life is achieved.
He wasn't deceived. He chose passion for his wife and trust in her over his passion for the unseen creator and love for him. However, Adam was responsible for sin entering the world an our spiritual death due to our being removed from the innocence and sinless nature our kind had prior to his decision and priority.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.
But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:12, 15, 17–19)
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
By: Charles Spurgeon
"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
Luke18:10
It was the fault of the Pharisee that, though he went up into the temple to pray, he did not pray; there is no prayer in all that he said. It is one excellence of the tax collector that he went up to the temple to pray, and he did pray: there is nothing but prayer in all that he said. “God be merciful to me a sinner” is a pure, unadulterated prayer throughout;
It was a chief excellence in the devotion of the tax collector that he confessed his sin, indeed, that his utterance was full of confession of sin: from beginning to end it was an acknowledgment of his guilt, and an appeal for grace to the merciful God. The prayer of the tax collector is admirable for its fullness of meaning. An expositor calls it a "holy telegram", and certainly it is so compact and so condensed, so free from superfluous words, that it is worthy to be called by that name.
He speaks of great matters, and trifles are not thought about. He has nothing to do with fastings twice in the week, or the paying of tithes, and such second-rate things; the matters he deals with are of a higher order. His trembling heart moves among sublimities which overcome him, and he speaks in tones consistent with it. He deals with the greatest things that ever can be: he pleads for his life, his soul. Where could he find themes more weighty, more vital to his eternal interests? He is not playing at prayer, but pleading in awful earnest.
A sense of sin without faith drives us from God, but a sense of sin with faith draws us immediately to God. He came to God alone; he felt that it would be of no avail to confess his fault to a mortal, or to look for absolution from man. He did not resort to the priest of the temple, but to the God of the temple. He did not ask to speak to the good and learned man, the Pharisee, who stood on the same floor with him. His enquiry room was the secret of his own soul, and he enquired from the Lord. He ran straight to God, who alone was able to help;
This story of the Pharisee and the tax collector is intended as an encouraging example to you. If this man who was the sinner found forgiveness, so also shall you if you seek it in the same way. One sinner has succeeded so well, why should not you? Come and try for yourself, and see if the Lord does not prove in your case that his mercy endures for ever.
Psalm 136:1
"O give thanks unto the LORD; for He is good: for His mercy endureth for ever."
"O give thanks unto the LORD; for He is good: for His mercy endureth for ever."
You call it the law of God, but I think of it as God's temporary covenant. For the last 2000 years millions of people have been living under God's everlasting covenant of grace. All except the Jews that is. This everlasting covenant was promised way back and yet people choose to ignore it. Here we have it repeated:
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. (Jer 32:40 KJV)
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. (Eze 37:26 KJV)
Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow. (2Sa 23:5 KJV)
Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David. (Isa 55:3 KJV)
You quoted me talking about rebelling against God and that is precisely what people are doing when they rebel against God's EVERLASTING Covenant. This is not simple transgression of the law, it is full scale disobedience and to reject, even to fight against it, as happens here, is to reject God himself. People need to examine themselves.
Thank you Father that you see the heart of a person.
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
By: Charles Spurgeon
"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
Luke18:10
It was the fault of the Pharisee that, though he went up into the temple to pray, he did not pray; there is no prayer in all that he said. It is one excellence of the tax collector that he went up to the temple to pray, and he did pray: there is nothing but prayer in all that he said. “God be merciful to me a sinner” is a pure, unadulterated prayer throughout;
It was a chief excellence in the devotion of the tax collector that he confessed his sin, indeed, that his utterance was full of confession of sin: from beginning to end it was an acknowledgment of his guilt, and an appeal for grace to the merciful God. The prayer of the tax collector is admirable for its fullness of meaning. An expositor calls it a "holy telegram", and certainly it is so compact and so condensed, so free from superfluous words, that it is worthy to be called by that name.
He speaks of great matters, and trifles are not thought about. He has nothing to do with fastings twice in the week, or the paying of tithes, and such second-rate things; the matters he deals with are of a higher order. His trembling heart moves among sublimities which overcome him, and he speaks in tones consistent with it. He deals with the greatest things that ever can be: he pleads for his life, his soul. Where could he find themes more weighty, more vital to his eternal interests? He is not playing at prayer, but pleading in awful earnest.
A sense of sin without faith drives us from God, but a sense of sin with faith draws us immediately to God. He came to God alone; he felt that it would be of no avail to confess his fault to a mortal, or to look for absolution from man. He did not resort to the priest of the temple, but to the God of the temple. He did not ask to speak to the good and learned man, the Pharisee, who stood on the same floor with him. His enquiry room was the secret of his own soul, and he enquired from the Lord. He ran straight to God, who alone was able to help;
This story of the Pharisee and the tax collector is intended as an encouraging example to you. If this man who was the sinner found forgiveness, so also shall you if you seek it in the same way. One sinner has succeeded so well, why should not you? Come and try for yourself, and see if the Lord does not prove in your case that his mercy endures for ever.
Psalm 136:1
"O give thanks unto the LORD; for He is good: for His mercy endureth for ever."
Isaiah 42:3
3 A bruised reed He will not break,
And smoking flax He will not quench;
He will bring forth justice for truth.
42:3 The phrase a bruised reed represents the poor and needy (41:17; 42:7). The phrase not break is an understatement for the positive equivalent: “mend” or “restore.” A smoking flax represents those who have almost lost their faith and hope in the Lord. The Servant will come to restore the poor and needy and encourage people in the faith (see Matt. 11:5).
Hi BillG, how could you know that my wife and I sing this song Amazing Grace frequently together, in her Thai language, and in English at the same time makes for a good blend, thank you.
God bless!
This Message is for everyone here.
Especially for those who still think that there WORKS are part of SALVATION.
I want to share some Verses from the Sermon, I heard and learned from this morning.
IT ABSOLUTELY FITS THE DISCUSSION OF THIS THREADS MAIN TOPIC.
Romans 3:20-28 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.
21 But now, apart from the law, God’s righteousness has been revealed—attested by the Law and the Prophets
22 —that is, God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe, since there is no distinction.
23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
25 God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.
26 ⌊God presented Him⌋ to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be righteous and declare righteous the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law of faith.
28 For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Romans 4:3-6 (HCSB)
3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.
6 Likewise, David also speaks of the blessing of the man God credits righteousness to apart from works:
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
Romans 5:1 (HCSB)
1 Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now I am NOT going to Highlight or Change Colors to emphasize the important part of each verse like I usually do, Nor am I going to expound upon what I think says. I believe it can be taken only one WAY, and I will let all SEEK the JEWELS OF WISDOM, that GOD HAS FOR US ALL in these Scriptures.
Especially for those who still think that there WORKS are part of SALVATION.
I want to share some Verses from the Sermon, I heard and learned from this morning.
IT ABSOLUTELY FITS THE DISCUSSION OF THIS THREADS MAIN TOPIC.
Romans 3:20-28 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.
21 But now, apart from the law, God’s righteousness has been revealed—attested by the Law and the Prophets
22 —that is, God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe, since there is no distinction.
23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
25 God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.
26 ⌊God presented Him⌋ to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be righteous and declare righteous the one who has faith in Jesus.
27 Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By one of works? No, on the contrary, by a law of faith.
28 For we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Romans 4:3-6 (HCSB)
3 For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.
6 Likewise, David also speaks of the blessing of the man God credits righteousness to apart from works:
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
Romans 5:1 (HCSB)
1 Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now I am NOT going to Highlight or Change Colors to emphasize the important part of each verse like I usually do, Nor am I going to expound upon what I think says. I believe it can be taken only one WAY, and I will let all SEEK the JEWELS OF WISDOM, that GOD HAS FOR US ALL in these Scriptures.
That must sound beautiful.
Even as I type I'm getting emotional.
I also have a beautiful piano rendition.
When I listen I'm truly humbled and feel and know the presence of our saviour.
do you mean as though the Sinai covenant was given at creation . . . ???
IN MEMORY of Senator John McCain who lost his battle with Brain Cancer yesterday.
Pray for his Family, during the coming days.
The American Hero:
Shot down on a mission over North Vietnam
A POW in the famous Hanoi Hilton.
Welcome home by the President after being tortured as a POW.
Pray for his Family, during the coming days.
The American Hero:
Shot down on a mission over North Vietnam
A POW in the famous Hanoi Hilton.
Welcome home by the President after being tortured as a POW.
Moses was born 1522 B.C. and died 1402 B.C. aged 120 years.
So he was living in round figures 1500 years before Jesus.