Not By Works

[BillG]

I like your signature phrase.

Do you mean mine?

 

[BillG]

Becoming righteous is being without sin. The one and only way we can become righteous is by being cleansed of our sins through the blood of Jesus. The verb used in the original Greek means that we must continuously be cleansed daily by repenting. This is not a one and done but a daily process of repenting.

Thanks for answering and clarifying.

I was a little confused becuase you originally said “become” but now clarified with “becoming righteous”

So are you saying as Jesus increases in us then sin will decresse in us.

 

[VCO]

2 Corinthians 5:17-21New International Version (NIV)

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

When we repent of our sins we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus and become righteous.

Do not forget:


1 John 1:9 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


That word CONFESS implies an ongoing Lifestyle of confessing each new sin we discover in our life. It is NOT something you do ONCE in your life and never have to do again.


1 John 1:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

[BillG]

Hi Posthuman, I am as concerned about this as much as you are. I do not think it is healthy spiritually to entertain a heretical doctrine here day after day and do nothing about it. When enough has been said and no change is coming anytime soon, put the person on ignore and let the Moderator's do the rest.

Or sadly to say you can, *not*

Become one of the "ilk", like this one;

Ooh I like playing spot the difference

 

[kennethleehutch]

Yes and no. We are cleansed when we repent according to our heart. So each time we repent we are made righteous. But we are a weak people and fall in to sin again. So we must repent daily. The stronger we grow our spirit in Jesus the less we sin or in actuality the more we become aware of other areas in which we sin.

 

[kennethleehutch]

Yes you are correct in stating this. As I posted just above you will notice I explained the usage of the Greek verb meaning that it is a continuous process and not a one and done deal.

 

[BillG]

Sorry, but as a rule I don't open unsolicited links.
The first time was a real exception.

We have no link to find, so you might as well quit looking for one.

The second link was to Facebook with the title of the church you say you go to.

If you opened the first one why are you reluctant to open the second one?

You seemed happy to jump on the first link and reject it becuase they misinterpreted 1 John 1:8.

Why Not look at the second link I posted?

You have said that you and every member in the church you attend do not sin.
You are all sinless and therfore convey you are perfect, as perfect as Jesus is.

Is your church a localised chruch or is it part of a demonination?

Whats the core doctrine of your church?

Do you only allow people in your church who are perfect?

If someone comes to your chruch who is not a believer and then comes to faith and after doing so tells you that they sinned today what do you then do and how do you treat them?

How does your chruch approach evangeslism?

Finally you have said that you were banned from another Christian forum.
Would you care to expand why?

 

[BillG]

Yes and no. We are cleansed when we repent according to our heart. So each time we repent we are made righteous. But we are a weak people and fall in to sin again. So we must repent daily. The stronger we grow our spirit in Jesus the less we sin or in actuality the more we become aware of other areas in which we sin.

Ta.

I like what you say “the more we become aware of other areas of in which we sin”

There have been times when I have focused on one area and God has revealed to me an area that he wants to deal with.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yeah I do not by this progressive righteousness.....the bible is clear...we have the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith and in so doing are eternally justified and sanctified in Christ.....the only process is the sanctification of our lives which is a daily process that has successes and failures.....

We have been made righteousness in Christ and our standing is in Christ not our own abilities.............

 

[dcontroversal]

Becoming righteous is being without sin. The one and only way we can become righteous is by being cleansed of our sins through the blood of Jesus. The verb used in the original Greek means that we must continuously be cleansed daily by repenting. This is not a one and done but a daily process of repenting.

Wrong....we have the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith which sanctifies us positionally in Christ eternally......

 

[Seohce]

works are works are works in light of how one is saved....regardless of source or quality....they will not save, keep saved and or finish off salvation.........

IS THIS YOUR JESUS TALKING HERE IN THIS VERSE BELOW:

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

ARE YOU GREATER THAN THE ONE YOU CALL YOUR LORD WHO TAUGHT ABOUT OBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENTS CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR ALL THIS TIME? I HOPE YOU WOULD HUMBLE YOURSELF AND ASK OUR LORD FOR FORGIVENESS FOR THE CONTRADICTING REMARKS.

 

[PJW]

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

Why does scripture call the disobedient believer "brother" ?

We are to have mercy on everyone, no matter their standing before God.
It just may turn out that our mercy will sway him to the light.

 

[dcontroversal]

IS THIS YOUR JESUS TALKING HERE IN THIS VERSE BELOW:

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

ARE YOU GREATER THAN THE ONE YOU CALL YOUR LORD WHO TAUGHT ABOUT OBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENTS CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR ALL THIS TIME? I HOPE YOU WOULD HUMBLE YOURSELF AND ASK OUR LORD FOR FORGIVENESS FOR THE CONTRADICTING REMARKS.

Yeah it is my Lord and works still do not save, nor does your version of the gospel.

 

[PJW]

A clue:
Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness
Praise God!!

AMEN!
I wonder how many law keeping Jews were persuaded by Paul's argument to trust in the Lord for their righteousness.
Many, I hope.

 

[PJW]

NO, IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO JESUS TOO, WHICH HE DID NOT MEAN, THAT GIVES ME REASON TO SEE YOU AS YOU ACTING LIKE A CULT MEMBER. Mormons and JWs are famous for those kind of twisted misunderstandings and innuendos.

The scripture he was referring to was written in the OT, well before Jesus, the sinless Jesus, walked among the Israelite.
To use it to cause others to believe that no "other" man can live without sin is an abomination to those who do live in obedience to God.

 

[PJW]

not "posited" -- quoted ((scripture))

Do you really believe that Jesus committed sin?
That is the POV you are defending.

not shown by you or in the space of time you reference at all. not ever in question. not even relevant; a diversionary accusation of blasphemy out of thin air. i've been declaring the spotless Lamb for a period of time greater than the length of our

acquaintance
the POV that Romans 3, v.23 in particular refers to God, not to man, is obviously false, but it's the POV you keep running with

You don't believe that Jesus was a man?
I can understand your confusion now.

if we say we are without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in

us

Absolutely true...if you are walking in darkness.
Thanks be to God, though, we have another alternative.
If we walk in the light, we can have ALL our past sins washed away by the blood of Christ. Only a false repentance would accommodate a return to sin.

i'm actually eternally grateful to stand at all - and the LORD is not a terror, but all who do not believe that He is will have '

the terrible one' for a bedfellow. they will cry, 'lord, lord? did we not . . ?'

And Jesus will say..."depart from ye workers of iniquity".
If all men commit iniquity, (as you assert), that implies that no man will enter into salvation.
As we know that to be an errant thought, it stands to reason that some DON'T commit iniquity.
Thanks be to God!

 

[stonesoffire]

That is what I know.
It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)


Correct.
They have left the light for the darkness of sin.
Frankly, the sin shows they were never "of the light".
1 John 3:9 makes that clear.


God is merciful, not wanting any to perish.
They are able to start walking in the light, which is God, if they turn from sin.

In and out of light. What happens to the Light within? And if it goes out, who lights it again? We have an angel with a cigarette lighter going around lighting up our candles all the time?

 

[stonesoffire]

And yes, I know, it's silly. Just like your unscriptural posts PJW.

 

[BillG]

The scripture he was referring to was written in the OT, well before Jesus, the sinless Jesus, walked among the Israelite.
To use it to cause others to believe that no "other" man can live without sin is an abomination to those who do live in obedience to God.

To live without sin or obedient.
Jesus was both and only him.

To be honest your post above is no more an abomination to those who walk in obedience of faith and yet acknowlede before God they get it wrong.

You claim to be sinless and those who are not are now an abomination, by inference.
I know (via pm) and have seen it but you have made people feel worthless and a piece of crap.
Something you would wipe of your shoes as you walk on by.

What you have accused others of you fall foul yourself.

No love or compassion, just piety and condemnation.

Maybe that’s why you were banned on a Christian forum you were on a few years ago.

When you stand before Jesus and he asks

”Why should I let you in”
What will be your response?

 

[Magenta]

Do you really believe that Jesus committed sin?
That is the POV you are defending.

No doubt you would claim the same thing of Paul.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23