Not By Works

[FreeNChrist]

wrong johne the baptist prepared the way for the one to come...

You mean The One Who has come, dontcha?

 

[JIMBO43]

Thankfully we have Gods clear and undeniable truth so we can know the source and destiny of those like yourself who boast of their works saving them.

Great is my boldness toward you; great my boasting on behalf of you; I have ... Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation ...

 

[FreeNChrist]

Great is my boldness toward you; great my boasting on behalf of you; I have ... Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation ...

LOL. Yep that's the same word........

 

[JIMBO43]

now the good thing is both sides here feal they can be eternaly saved which is good,,, and secondly iron sharpens iron....

so lets face it...what ever you call my faith... whether it be works based or what ever... i know i am not dead... i was with God last week.. i know i was.....and i love his word and all of his word... it keeps me walking.... towards the end Goal and running the rat race and my own race to the end..

 

[valiant]

'he who believes and is baptised will be saved, he who believes not will be condemned,'

So let me understand your logic, because i believe what the above verse says, my colors are being shown. Praise God. Your colors also are being revealed, you do not believe that inspired by God verse, therefore let us see how you will explain away that verse to mean something entirely different from what it actually says, let us see shall we:

'he who believes and is baptised will be saved, he who believes not will be condemned,'

And there you have it. The verse says you must be baptized, but YOU say "Nope, don't have to be, just have to believe" Does anyone else see how this is illogical.

No it says 'is baptised', it doesn't say 'you must be baptised'. It is belief that is essential.

God said to me "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG"

God didn't say it to you, You just thought it. But it doesn't. contradict any Scripture.

i believe Scriptures which teach. He that believes in Jesus AND is baptized shall be Saved. i believe that because that is what Scriptures teach.

the negative shows that it is the belief that is essential.

i do not believe mailmandan which teaches what he says above, making void that Holy Inspired Word of God to fit his own doctrine

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But mailmandan is correct.

Just look above and see the PROOF how he changes what the Word of God plainly says to mean something entirely different, and does so to make it fit into what he thinks is the TRUTH.^i^

No it is you who is taking an option and making it essential

 

[FreeNChrist]

now the good thing is bothe side here fell they can be eternaly saved which is good,,, and secondly iron sharpens iron....

so lets face it...what ever you call my faith... whether it be works based or what ever... i know i am not dead... i was with God last week.. i know i was.....and i love his word and all of his word... it keeps me walking.... towards the end Goal and running the rat race and my own race to the end..

You think you are saved by your works, whatever you want to call that it ain't faith. And it certainly won't save you.

 

[dcontroversal]

He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life....<----The simplicity in Christ rejected by the workers for....

 

[dcontroversal]

No it says 'is baptised', it doesn't say 'you must be baptised'. It is belief that is essential.



God didn't say it to you, You just thought it. But it doesn't. contradict any Scripture.



the negative shows that it is the belief that is essential.

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But mailmandan is correct.



No it is you who is taking an option and making it essential

It is difficult at best to argue with a self proclaimed prophet that speaks for God--->who also claims that he will be referenced on the day of judgment by his CC chat name........

 

[DiscipleDave]

Yet another verse that plainly teaches FAITH + WORKS = SAVED. Believe that Jesus was raised from the dead= Faith. CONFESS = WORKS

False. Confession is not a work for salvation, but an expression of faith.

Confession is a work. Is is something a person is to DO, which indeed is a Work.

Now what about someone who is moot and cannot speak? How can they confess with their "mouth?" Such a person would remain lost according to your erroneous interpretation of Romans 10:9,10.

It is your understanding what i am saying that is erroneous, brother. As long as a person has a sound mind, they can confess. Confessing is something that a person DOES (Works) regardless if it is out loud, or in prayer to ones self. It is something a person DOES.

Also, if we are not saved until we are water baptized, according to your misinterpretation of Mark 16:16, then how can confession be made unto salvation when it precedes water baptism?

Again, you are assuming things, and not understanding what i have said. i never said water baptized, that is something you have assumed that i was meaning. Please click HERE to see an article concerning which baptism i was actually talking about.

Many verses that clearly state we are saved through faith would be a lie if additional requirements which follow faith must be accomplished before we are saved.

Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all True.
Many verses teach Other things to be Saved. These are likewise all TRUE. Such as repenting, confessing, obeying Jesus, Loving One Another, Forgiving One Another.
You have have all the Faith in the world, but if you fail to forgive someone, then the Father in Heaven will NOT forgive you, and it doesn't matter how much FAITH a person claims to have.

Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all TRUE, but that does not negate, or make void, the rest of Scriptures. If a person is picking and choosing which verses they will believe and which ones they have to interpret away, then the TRUTH does not reside in a person that does that.

So people of this generation teaches that Faith ONLY is enough, yet Scriptures plainly teach that to be SAVED requires Faith AND Works.

FALSE! You have been unmasked. Faith that saves TRUSTS IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION, not to be confused with an empty profession of faith that produces no works and demonstrates that it's dead.

lol, this is what i have been teaching from the start, which you have adamantly bucked against me.

Faith - Works = Dead. This is exactly what is bolded above by your own statement, you say this. What do you think i have been talking about all along? Many claim to have Faith. How can you tell if they have an empty profession of Faith (as you call it)? By their lack of works, EXACTLY as you say above.

How then do you disagree with

Faith + Works = Full/complete profession of Faith, which SAVES.

if Faith - Works = Empty profession of Faith then it is most logical to say
Faith + Works = FULL profession of Faith.

What do you think i have been teaching all along?

Faith Saves a person, but if they do not have works, EXACTLY like you say above, they have a empty profession of Faith, which does NOT Save a person. Therefore Faith without works is Dead. So likewise it is also True that
Faith with Works is ALIVE. As i have been teaching all along

Faith ONLY is not enough, even you yourself testifies that if a person has Faith only without any works is a empty profession of Faith. So then we are in agreement then?

This is what James means by faith only, which is not genuine faith in the first place.

Agreed, if it does not have Works with it, i agree 100%

Those who believe they are saved by works and that they live a sinless life 100% of the time are truly suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness.

Again, i 100% agree with this statement. Nobody can be Saved by Works ONLY and that live a sinless life 100% of the time. This statement is True, nor have i said or believe otherwise.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Sully]

Technically breathing is a work then. Is this where we r going?

 

[JIMBO43]

ha i never ever argued about works untill i came here... i was an anglo saxon... warrior and ledgend of the the great king and warlord.... of the great christian army who over through the the gobshites and the jebushites.. now im bornagain gentle giant with a passion for truth..

where as you guys call me a works based salvationist earning my salvation...

Now this makes no sence to me.. cause from where im from salvation is given to those who are worthy from there unworthenenss..... meaning after reacieving God they where worthy.. from there unworthyness...?..

Now surely mercy will follow me and grace.. if i obey him daily..

 

[DiscipleDave]

I just recently discovered this one. So DiscipleDave claims to be a prophet who audibly talks with God and he teaches sinless perfection and salvation by works.

i teach that God still speaks to people today, because God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
i teach that we are to awake to righteousness and SIN NOT, exactly what the Word of God teaches also.
i do not, nor ever have taught Salvation by works. This is something that satan tells people that i say and teach, when there is not one post that shows where i have done this, not one.

satan falsely accuses people. God does not, nor ever will.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[FreeNChrist]

Technically breathing is a work then. Is this where we r going?

The works we are speaking of are meritorious works. Works that some tragically think will save them.

 

[JIMBO43]

He that believes on the Son is having everlasting life....<----The simplicity in Christ rejected by the workers for....

you but be ye doers of the word also..

 

[dcontroversal]

LOL. Whose the one trying to change Scripture?

" For it it by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." Eph. 2:8-9

I don't even engage him anymore.....the day he said he speaks to God, is a prophet and will be referenced by his CC chat name on the day of judgment by JESUS so as to condemn us.......yeahhhhh riggghtttt.......!

That pretty much told me all I need to know about him...and from what I have read on here and people referencing his website he also believes in a continuing cycle of reincarnation....

 

[FreeNChrist]

Confession is a work. Is is something a person is to DO, which indeed is a Work.



It is your understanding what i am saying that is erroneous, brother. As long as a person has a sound mind, they can confess. Confessing is something that a person DOES (Works) regardless if it is out loud, or in prayer to ones self. It is something a person DOES.



Again, you are assuming things, and not understanding what i have said. i never said water baptized, that is something you have assumed that i was meaning. Please click HERE to see an article concerning which baptism i was actually talking about.



Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all True.
Many verses teach Other things to be Saved. These are likewise all TRUE. Such as repenting, confessing, obeying Jesus, Loving One Another, Forgiving One Another.
You have have all the Faith in the world, but if you fail to forgive someone, then the Father in Heaven will NOT forgive you, and it doesn't matter how much FAITH a person claims to have.

Many verses teach Faith to be Saved. These are all TRUE, but that does not negate, or make void, the rest of Scriptures. If a person is picking and choosing which verses they will believe and which ones they have to interpret away, then the TRUTH does not reside in a person that does that.





lol, this is what i have been teaching from the start, which you have adamantly bucked against me.

Faith - Works = Dead. This is exactly what is bolded above by your own statement, you say this. What do you think i have been talking about all along? Many claim to have Faith. How can you tell if they have an empty profession of Faith (as you call it)? By their lack of works, EXACTLY as you say above.

How then do you disagree with

Faith + Works = Full/complete profession of Faith, which SAVES.

if Faith - Works = Empty profession of Faith then it is most logical to say
Faith + Works = FULL profession of Faith.

What do you think i have been teaching all along?

Faith Saves a person, but if they do not have works, EXACTLY like you say above, they have a empty profession of Faith, which does NOT Save a person. Therefore Faith without works is Dead. So likewise it is also True that
Faith with Works is ALIVE. As i have been teaching all along

Faith ONLY is not enough, even you yourself testifies that if a person has Faith only without any works is a empty profession of Faith. So then we are in agreement then?



Agreed, if it does not have Works with it, i agree 100%



Again, i 100% agree with this statement. Nobody can be Saved by Works ONLY and that live a sinless life 100% of the time. This statement is True, nor have i said or believe otherwise.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Faith in Jesus Christ to save us will result in His good works being manifested in and through those of us who are saved. Faith in your works to save you will result only in an eternity of painful suffering as you remember just how wrong you were.

 

[DiscipleDave]

run!, Run far away,, And pray,, that is about all I think we can do for him..

Seriously this made me cry.

What have i said that is so evil?
i tell you what God told me to tell you. And that is the God's honest Truth, or let me Die a horrible long painful death.
i teach "Love One Another"
i teach stop obeying satan.
i teach start obeying Jesus.
For which of these things do you say what you say above, that you should run away from?
Where is your Love? If Christ were in you, would you not have compassion for me? You would not say things that would make a person cry, hurtful. But even now, tears in my eyes, i forgive you.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[JIMBO43]

I don't even engage him anymore.....the day he said he speaks to God, is a prophet and will be referenced by his CC chat name on the day of judgment by JESUS so as to condemn us.......yeahhhhh riggghtttt.......!

That pretty much told me all I need to know about him...and from what I have read on here and people referencing his website he also believes in a continuing cycle of reincarnation....

thats harsh dont you to speak to God.. as his spirit is with you daily ?

 

[FreeNChrist]

you but be ye doers of the word also..

The only ones who can be doers of the word, are those who are saved. And those who are saved, are saved by grace through faith....and not of works.

 

[JIMBO43]

yup to deny Jesus is to obey satan...