Not By Works

[JIMBO43]

Hi Jimbo43. That would be double jeopardy .Christ was crucified once.

People crucify him over and over again,,, because the mockers of his word is probably quite high i would say.
When they crucified Jesus they all said if you are the son of God come down of that cross. There are many that dont believe he was the Son the God,,, so his word is crucified in this sence people cruicify him over and over again..Theese are also the people of Noah who went to prison,,, tell me how can prison be the paradise.. no it was hades...and people will go there again and are there now waiting to be set free... they will be judged..and they will recieve there due..

Not sure where you are getting the all from? All believers or all those who believe not(no faith) ?

Believing is one thing and doing the work of christ is another,, this is why we have the scripture to back that up its called faith without works...

Did you mean he forgives all as in every one of our sins, or will there be some we will be judged for? Which ones?.

are you asking me ? or telling me >>> either way im not God and niether are you,,, and you cant be the Judge of who he will forgive and who he wont,,, so please concern about this and get real.

If there is no, none, nada condemnation in Christ someone has made the judgement and satisfied its requirements. In that sense Christ has sat at the judgment seat, as the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.

nada is total door in your face word,, that says im so right and your so wrong... the sad thing is condemnation is one thing but salvation is another... i would hope to that there would be no condemnation,,, but i bet you alot who say they are with christ cant handle rebuke.. Now if understand where im coming from condemantion is also a form of rebuke.. When some get rebuked they accept there failing,,, whilst others... well lets just say they dont and stay in condemnation until they do. unless of course it was unintenstional... like those who are born into the faith of muslimhood.... they where taught this faith and so abided in it from an early age and see Jesus as a profit,, who was crucified for blasphomy.. Now are thees people saved,,, or will God see away to bypass that and treat them like men of the old t,, where i believe people where saved..

Who knows but im sure there are many beautiful muslim brothers and sisters and keepers of the ten commandments,,, and do theese loving people need to be told to love one another like we do ?,,,,,,,,,,, have you ever wondered this ?... is the new testement more for the people who dont love one another...? or is it for anyone who picks it up and reads it... dont forget reading a long book can be daunting for many at first either... or it a bit of both ?.

Now im not God but the reality is loving people exist who dont believe Jesus was the son of God,, but they know to keep the ten commandments,, but slip up like we do...

That work not seen has been finished and demonstrated as a parable in John 19. Nothing can separate a true believer from His savior. If he has begun the good work of salvation in us he will finish to the end.

you say true believer,,, define this for me please..

The outward demonstration of the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world.(six days) as it reads below..

John 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.

Every one receives the same reward, eternal life, a new spirit that will never die.

the spirit will never die anyway thats why a soul can suffer eternal damnation... The spirit that is given to you will never die either... but you will still face your due,, even if its for aproval.. and you will meet your maker.. now is this something beautiful to remain thankful for and hope you dont fall away...? there have been mighty who have fallen,,, read something like oh how the mighty have fallen,, so if you think your better than mighty you may as well declare right now that your perfect,,, and a perctionist who will never slip up.. wrong mate your mentality is just right up there with the sinless perfectionists..

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

When and if we do judge our brother we are in effect placing Christ on the judgement seat, crucifying him over and over as if the one work of His faith falls short of the glory of God.

if ye shall correct as brother and bring him to repentance you have saved your brother...

The verse is simply speaking to believers not to judge each other if Christ has already accomplished His mission.

2Co 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Not he accepted of us.

Not sure what your getting at here but to be accepted is nice,, doesnt mean youve finished your walk tho... you could say im retiring tomorrow im rich,,, many have,,, i ask you will God accept this..?

2Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;.

amen .

that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

And amen to that to.

In that sense he does not judge us by what we have done bad or good. The judgement cannot be in respect to what we have done bad or good .that would simply would make the grace of God without effect. We know the outcome if it was according to what we have done (eternal damnation.).

Ok lets just say that even maybee you,,,, will recieve what you know all along and that is the reward,,, the God dew,,, the good judgement,,, is this clear ?.. would you consider hoping fpr this,,, because its written,, its spoke about by Jeses..

Again the we are the believer’s that have eternal life .The judgment seat, the finished work of God. This is that every believer might receive the grace of God done in the body of Christ, according to his finished work, according to what he has done not of our own selves lest any man boast in false pride. .The finished work of christ is when you have recieved your due and not befor.. the finished of christs work how ever is never finished,,, his work always has to be done...you cant become a lazy farmer who retires of ten fields of crops,,, because by declaring youve recieved your due,,, your also declariong that youve retired,, and no need to be saved again and no need to be forgiven no more,,, and no need to hope to meet your maker,,,

The idea of good or bad on our behalf does not take away that we might be accepted in Him according to that which he has done, or grace is no longer grace.

Grace is your freedom,,, but tomorrow you could end up in Jail if you drink and drive,,.... lets get this clear Grace is something that saves you... (its the grace of gOD NOT YOUR GRACE).. BECAUSE YOU MAY BE GRACEFULL IN RETURN DOES NOT MAKE YOU A PERFECTIONIST.....

For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.For whether we be beside ourselves (bad), it is to God: or whether we be sober(good) , it is for your cause. 2Co 5:12



If we were judged because of our sin and receive what is due ...no man could be saved.

its all ifs and questions,,, not statements your not completely sure are you ?



If we receive His blessing why would he kick us out knowing no man can come unless he does all the work of drawing us ?.

He says if we do come he will in no way cast us out. He has the ability to finish that which he starts. His patience is better than our pride.

No man could be found with a righteousness of their own self.

Our walk ahead is by faith as that not seen, not after some work seen we could could do before we will believe God .Its what the apostate Jews were know for turning things upside down.

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I would think if Christ’s final work as his reward for the things done in his body does not persuade you . Whose will, will?

If Christ has begun His work of faith (not of our own selves) he promises he will finish it to the end. Christian have passed from death to life . Again we are forgiven by the things done to His body, not our bodies of death, whether bad or good. .

YOU CAN FOLLOW HIM TO THE END or you can wonder of,,, now when youve got lost,,,,,,,,,,, are you going to tell me that you dont hope for him to save you,,, as you know he will anyway even tho your starving and havent eating for ten days cause your stuck in a pot hole.. ? think on brother..

 

[JIMBO43]

correction for above...

Again the we are the believer’s that have eternal life .The judgment seat, the finished work of God. This is that every believer might receive the grace of God done in the body of Christ, according to his finished work, according to what he has done not of our own selves lest any man boast in false pride.


my answer

The finished work of christ is when you have recieved your due and not befor.. the finished of christs work how ever is never finished,,, his work always has to be done...you cant become a lazy farmer who retires of ten fields of crops,,, because by declaring youve recieved your due,,, your also declariong that youve retired,, and no need to be saved again and no need to be forgiven no more,,, and no need to hope to meet your maker

 

[JIMBO43]

Grace is your freedom,,, but tomorrow you could end up in Jail if you drink and drive,,.... lets get this clear Grace is something that saves you... (its the grace of gOD NOT YOUR GRACE).. BECAUSE YOU MAY BE GRACEFULL IN RETURN DOES NOT MAKE YOU A PERFECTIONIST...

 

[JIMBO43]

oops another correction lol my words not garees...
its all ifs and questions,,, not statements .......your not completely sure are you ?

 

[dcontroversal]

Grace is a position and once one enters into that position they are justified, sanctified, sealed and eternally saved....Jesus continually mediates and their sins are preemptively covered by the blood of Christ applied eternally.....

God is good and his mercy ENDURES forever!

 

[JIMBO43]

Grace is your freedom to walk in his world and with his brothers,,, if you break it your out cause if you make one of his little ones stumble then you may as well put a millstone round your neck,,,,


Oh wait a minute people who are saved dont make people stumble,,, they where never saved in the first place,,,, actualy i think youll find they became old and bitter with total lack of reguard for his truth... and they quite clearly did what the bible says many will do the last days,,,,,,,,ABANDON THERE FAITH.............................

 

[JIMBO43]

WELL SEING AS YOUR NOT ENGAGING NO MORE......because your retired....ill state this conclusion... for the one who retires early is the one who doesnt care..... where is his greatest commandment that ye be faitfull till the end ?

 

[dcontroversal]

Grace is a position that God places one into by belief and salvation....a person who has trusted Christ cannot be removed from that positioning....NOTHING shall separate us from the love of Christ and that position....ever!

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved........ 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[dcontroversal]

Hmmm the two greatest commandments say nothing of what you speak...

Love God and love your neighbor.....so........

 

[JIMBO43]

We live in a New Covenant build upon better promises of which the blood of Jesus speaks of better things.

The blood of Jesus cleanses us because we are in Him. 1 John 1:7

If we live by the flesh - we will have trouble in this life. Take up shooting heroin in your arms today and the reality of living by the flesh will be obvious.

Sin in the flesh does not un-do the righteousness of God which we have in Christ in our inner man that has been created in righteousness and holiness.

now this is a good point,,,, this shows that we can fall away. now do you hope that you dont,,, or is it impossible to fall away if youve been justifed. and sealed.. and so forth,

 

[JIMBO43]

Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grac

so why dont you hope for salvation then ? the final aproval the icing on the cake of meeting your maker.. or is this belief retired like the rich farmer...

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Yes, but can a man say he is truly believing in Him when he worries about provision? In that case, the word reveals his hypocrisy and self deceit. He has believed Him for something that sounds pleasant while simultaneously ignoring him about an earthly matter He spoke on. It is to say: I'll believe and have the obedience of faith on this matter, but on the smaller matter, I will not have the obedience of faith and will go the way the world tells me and worry and save more than enough

Basically in obedience to being led (faith) in the Spirit to doing the good works God has planned. This is how we know faith is perfected.
James 2:15-26
If a brother or sister is without clothes and lacks daily food 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you don’t give them what the body needs, what good is it?

17 In the same way faith, if it doesn’t have works, is dead by itself.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.”[e] Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith from my works.[f]

19 You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder.

20 Foolish man! Are you willing to learn that faith without works is useless? 21 Wasn’t Abraham our father( justified by works) when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

22 You see that faith was active together with his works, and by works, faith was perfected.


23 So the Scripture was fulfilled that says, Abraham (believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness,)[g] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way, wasn’t Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by a different route?

26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Justified by good works and belief in God credits righteousness. Justified- having, done for, or marked by a good or legitimate reason. Righteousness- the quality of being morally right or justifiable. And so we are justified in the doing the will of God in love for God making us morally right and in perfecting our faith in Christ that saves us in the faith. For even the demons proclaim who Jesus is but the heart will truly tell if the love for God is there and more than likely so will there actions too.

 

[dcontroversal]

so why dont you hope for salvation then ? the final aproval the icing on the cake of meeting your maker.. or is this belief retired like the rich farmer...

Maybe when you grasp that the bible's hope is a confidence of something guaranteed and then realize that salvation is spoken of in all three tenses....it is something I possessed the day I trusted, it is something I possess right now and I will continue to possess it into the future....it is ETERNAL, EVERLASTING and cannot be lost......

Again, you have failed to grasp the biblical definition of hope while applying the worlds view of hope.....many have shown you this, but you refuse to be open to learning and instruction....

The hope of the bible and the way God views it is a guaranteed outcome with present continuing results from a past completed action.....it IS NOT like buying a lotto ticket and HOPING you win.....

 

[JIMBO43]

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.”[e] Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith from my works.[f]

by far the best yet..

 

[JIMBO43]

if you dont show works the truth is your dead.....

 

[dcontroversal]

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.”[e] Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith from my works.[f]

by far the best yet..

The key in bolded....

Paul said a man is JUSTIFIED without WORKS<--before GOD

Maybe one day you will also realize that JAMES speaks to another man being able to see the faith you claim to have.....

FAITH before GOD justifies
FAITH before men (show me) is SEEN in our works

it is not that difficult to grasp when one has genuine faith and acknowledges context and verbiage

 

[JIMBO43]

Maybe when you grasp that the bible's hope is a confidence of something guaranteed and then realize that salvation is spoken of in all three tenses....it is something I possessed the day I trusted, it is something I possess right now and I will continue to possess it into the future....it is ETERNAL, EVERLASTING and cannot be lost......

Again, you have failed to grasp the biblical definition of hope while applying the worlds view of hope.....many have shown you this, but you refuse to be open to learning and instruction....

The hope of the bible and the way God views it is a guaranteed outcome with present continuing results from a past completed action.....it IS NOT like buying a lotto ticket and HOPING you win.....

now listen pal..... mate... chum.. buddy.. bro..... luntytune... nutjob.... lol....... you cant lose something that hasnt been given yet.

you have faith yes that and you can be saved through that faith until the end..... peroid buddy.. end of story..

 

[JIMBO43]

if you retire ealry like the rich farmer who wont make it to heaven,,, you have also abandoned your works.... to say that works is not part of salvation is to say youve also recieved you final reward,,, (in my book anyways).... now please answer this dc have you recieved your final reward yet..baring in mind that there are rewards waiting for you in heaven...

 

[dcontroversal]

now listen pal..... mate... chum.. buddy.. bro..... luntytune... nutjob.... lol....... you cant lose something that hasnt been given yet.

you have faith yes that and you can be saved through that faith until the end..... peroid buddy.. end of story..

Not quite.....you still fall short in the knowledge area....SO...simple question...see if you can answer it with two words without tap dancing all over the place....what tense is the bolded below?

The bible speaks of salvation in all three tenses....so....reject the truth......deny all you want....the verbiage of the bible overrides your opinion!

He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

 

[dcontroversal]

if you retire ealry like the rich farmer who wont make it to heaven,,, you have also abandoned your works.... to say that works is not part of salvation is to say youve also recieved you final reward,,, (in my book anyways).... now please answer this dc have you recieved your final reward yet..baring in mind that there are rewards waiting for you heaven...

Salvation is not a reward that has been earned...it is the GIFT of GOD, not of WORKS lest any man boast.......