You gave one factor that leads one to unbelief but let's not put words in his mouth as he probably has other factors that leads one to unbelief.
We are simply resorting to ad hominem when we assume that he thinks God is untrustworthy.
"Not by works" - false!
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We are simply resorting to ad hominem when we assume that he thinks God is untrustworthy.
Judges..don’t take offence....I can’t help laughing....because you keep involving yourself.
It’s all about you believing....I’m not joking I swear God is laughing at you for what you say here.
He Loves you dearly....but you have it the wrong way round...
Amen! Saving belief in Christ continues and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.
*See post #1,520 - https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works-false.192473/page-76#post-4278156
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Calvism does not teach the necessary to continue to believe and the necessity to live a holy life to continue to be saved So please‘Mm this is what I keep talking about
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If there is a possibility to abandon faith then it is not eternal security it is conditional security
And thus in effect no security at all
How is it eternal when it is a present assurance?
I am presently assured but I may not be assured in the future. That for me creates a sense of doubt and places a lot of pressure on me.
What are the sins that can make me loose the Faith?
The Gift is not given over a lifetime... sorry it does not work that way.[/QUOTE]
So if I start going out and doing evil deeds like a Hitlar, then you will tell me that I do not have faith in Jesus and was never saved in the first place??!!
If so, that means I need to be careful to maintain my good works so that (in your eyes) I was really saved right in the first place??
Am I understanding right what you believe?
So if I start going out and doing evil deeds like a Hitlar, then you will tell me that I do not have faith in Jesus and was never saved in the first place??!!
If so, that means I need to be careful to maintain my good works so that (in your eyes) I was really saved right in the first place??
Am I understanding right what you believe?
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Paul did
Not tell Timothy to hold onto faith that saves but faith in his mission
Huge difference
If I upset you about God laughing at you Judges..I apologise it wasn’t a nice thing to say.
Sometimes I engage mouth before thinking about it....xx
Sometimes I engage mouth before thinking about it....xx
Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
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What other factor would cause you to lose faith in someone?
I am not assuming anything but someone Is trustworthy and keeps proving himself you will Never lose faith to say so. Well it is denying reality
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AmenRomans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.
Completed actions
Present assurance is rock solid because I believe in Jesus Christ as my Redeemer, Saviour, Friend, Lord, and Master. He is the One who is able to keep me solid and keep my faith unshakeable and sure! If you have doubt and pressure it is because you are trusting your works and not the Lord Jesus Christ. There are no "sins" that make you lose faith: losing faith is refusing to trust in the Lord Jesus for salvation.
To believe that a point in time decision in the past is the basis of assurance means that I need to maintain good works in order to be sure that that past decision was genuine.
Yes that's a very logical point. What is your explanation of 1Timoth1:18-20?
So if I start going out and doing evil deeds like a Hitlar, then you will tell me that I do not have faith in Jesus and was never saved in the first place??!!
If so, that means I need to be careful to maintain my good works so that (in your eyes) I was really saved right in the first place??
Am I understanding right what you believe?[/QUOTE]
A born again would never go out and do evil deeds.....remember the Holy Spirit resides in our hearts...
Good morning, sis.
I mean, it's morning here, lol.
I'm curious, if God gives us our believing, why does he give us inferior believing?
I've posed this question several times in the forum.
Oh JR I thought I was the only one - My brain works quicker than my mouth and fingers, I am always stepping over my tongue. I have asked God to please put His hand over my mouth
You are not the only one,
Straight away I believe God placed it on my heart to apologise to Judges....