Non-essential Christian Doctrines

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Eli1 said:
Okay this is a good angle which i think i might have heard a couple of times.
Questions for you now are these:

Eve is what ultimately? A statistic? An anomaly? A toy for Adam to play with? An unaware robot?
Who is Eve and what does she do basically?

Also in the spirit of trying to find verses to support our interpretations, why do you go to Romans to understand Genesis?
Genesis tells you the chronology.

For example here we see that Eve is made as a co-equal not as a servant or as a sub-human.



Thank you for the discussion friend.
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Went to Roman’s simply to show sin entering the world through Adam. It would take much longer to go through sin nature being passed through the seed of man through multiple books. But I tend to use the entire Bible for any study. If all the books don’t fit into the context with each other then they don’t belong together.

Just to stick with Genesis for now Eve was created to be Adam’s helper. Adam named her woman. She was his wife. She became the mother to their children. They were equal in value and worth both being made in the image of God. However they did have different roles. They would’ve basically been equal til after the fall in which we see that change to Adam being the head
 
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Just_A__Follower said:
Went to Roman’s simply to show sin entering the world through Adam. It would take much longer to go through sin nature being passed through the seed of man through multiple books. But I tend to use the entire Bible for any study. If all the books don’t fit into the context with each other then they don’t belong together.

Just to stick with Genesis for now Eve was created to be Adam’s helper. Adam named her woman. She was his wife. She became the mother to their children. They were equal in value and worth both being made in the image of God. However they did have different roles. They would’ve basically been equal til after the fall in which we see that change to Adam being the head
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Okay, i can respect this.
With this i can understand that this view is even more patriarchal than the region where i come from where they used to treat women like property. Moral choices are not roles based on flesh or biology in my view and in our church.
So, i respect it and at this point we agree to disagree as they say.

Thank you and maybe another day we can find another non-essential topic to disagree with. :)
 
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Good morning.

Here's another non-essential topic we can disagree with.
Spiritual Gifts.
These include things such as Miracles (my favorite), signs and even tongues or prophecy and others which i may have forgotten to include.
Of course we need good discernment for many of these but i am in favor of all Spiritual Gifts and God works Miracles with us on a daily basis around the world.
 
Eli1 said:
Good morning.

Here's another non-essential topic we can disagree with.
Spiritual Gifts.
These include things such as Miracles (my favorite), signs and even tongues or prophecy and others which i may have forgotten to include.
Of course we need good discernment for many of these but i am in favor of all Spiritual Gifts and God works Miracles with us on a daily basis around the world.
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What would there be to disagree on about spiritual gifts?
 
Just_A__Follower said:
Do you mean people that say they don’t happen or people that disagree with how they happen individually?
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I don't know what their reasoning is because they don't explain it clearly. Some flat out deny any gift after Pentecost and some others deny any modern day gifts but accept to a certain point in history.
So i really don't know.
 
The 10% tithe mandatory topic.

I give when i can and as much as i can. Typically i have tried to do it quarterly to my main church and give as much as i think is appropriate based on my expenses.
I don't use the 10% formula basically.
 
""we have little or no time to spare for non-essentials"

wow to say non essential. Its for me like breathing without I would be gone lost. Its a packaged deal so to speak. Its not "well ....hmm let me see lets toss out a few of these.....all you really need is" haha
 
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Considering what's essential or non-essential could also be a topic of discussion in this thread.
 
GaryA said:
It would be helpful if you were to define 'non-essential'. On what basis do you define it? In what context? Fellowship? Living in the truth as an individual child of God? Maintaining order in a local new testament church?

All doctrine is essential. The question is - regarding whatever part of doctrine is being considered - what is it essential for?
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What I consider essential are the four pillars of Christian worldview, the absolute non-negotiables:

Creation - the universe is created by God the Father in six days, all other perceived deities are created beings in heaven;
Desacration - mankind is sinful in nature, disobedient to God, and banished from the perfect utopia of Eden into a fallen, chaotic and broken world;
Salvation - God is manifested in human flesh as a medium between heaven and earth, He atoned for the sin of mankind, whosoever repents and follows him is saved from eternal condemnation;
Glorification - Followers of Christ will be resurrected in glorified bodies and united with Him in his millennial kingdom upon his return and the final judgment of the world.
 
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Lovette said:
all other perceived deities are created beings in heaven
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I dare say that most "perceived deities" are created [only] in the minds of men and have no real existence and no connection with heaven. ;)

(Yes, I realize that many "perceived deities" amount to being Satan.)
 
GaryA said:
I dare say that most "perceived deities" are created [only] in the minds of men and have no real existence and no connection with heaven. ;)

(Yes, I realize that many "perceived deities" amount to being Satan.)
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No they're not, I was referring to the evil spirits, the "powers, principalities, archons," and the spiritual warfare against them, instead of flesh and blood. They were cast out of heaven to earth, along with Satan. The greatest lie of Satan is not that God doesn't exist, but Satan doesn't exist.
 
Lovette said:
No they're not, I was referring to the evil spirits, the "powers, principalities, archons," and the spiritual warfare against them, instead of flesh and blood. They were cast out of heaven to earth, along with Satan. The greatest lie of Satan is not that God doesn't exist, but Satan doesn't exist.
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Well then - why didn't you say so? Saying 'all' and using the phrase 'perceived deities' (where 'perceived' would normally be talking about the perception in human minds) doesn't exactly lend itself to what you said above. Yes, I know they are included. But - do you really think that no human mind has ever - not even once - 'perceived' a 'deity' of its own accord that cannot be associated with a specific entity from what you said above?
 
GaryA said:
Well then - why didn't you say so? Saying 'all' and using the phrase 'perceived deities' (where 'perceived' would normally be talking about the perception in human minds) doesn't exactly lend itself to what you said above. Yes, I know they are included. But - do you really think that no human mind has ever - not even once - 'perceived' a 'deity' of its own accord that cannot be associated with a specific entity from what you said above?
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What I was suggesting is to make the connection, what you think as imaginary deities are these evil spirits who want to be worshipped like God. They are real, yet they're false. This is a supernatural view, which is a stumbling block for the modern minds.

And btw, when you read that ancient people bowed down to these inanimate idols made of wood, stone or metal and worshipped them, they weren't as dumb as you think. In their mind, these idols were merely dwelling places of deities, smashing the idols won't destroy the deities, it would only offend them and they'll move elsewhere, you'll lose their guardianship and face punishment. In Exodus, God dwelt in the Tabernacle of Meeting, Aaron and the Levites were consacrated as the priesthood, then he travelled around with Israel in the Ark of Covenant, then the first temple, the second temple, after that, no more brick and mortar temples, the Holy Spirit dwells within the church, the body of Christ. Any pagan deity, temple and priesthood is a counterfeit of that, which includes various modern ideologies.
 
Here's a pastor's explanation of Biblical Prophecy, pointing to these Last Day Events, and the exposing of the Anti-Christ, its doctrines and deceptions of humanity, to lead the Elect of God, ... away from the Righteousness of Christ, unto perdition and ever lasting DEATH.

~~ Conrad Vine Sermon – End-Time Sign: A “Falling Away” Inside The Church ~~
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1 Corinthians 1v 10 This is Apostle Paul calling for a perfect church . I will quote it . Now I beseech you brethren , by the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ , that ye all speak THE SAME THING , and that there be no Divisions among you ; but that you be PERFECTLY joined together in the same mind and in the same judgement. KJV (well we can see the true church is pretty much nonexistent these days in conduct ). Also I remember the Lord Jesus said to the devil , man shall not live by bread alone , BUT BY EVERY WORD that proceedeth out of the mouth of God . If we only live by essentials we give the devil room to work .Amen ! Look around is that not the case ? The answer is get back to the Whole council of God as Apostle Paul proclaimed to do ! Amen ! Seek the truth and it shall set you free ! There is a solution but first people need to recognize the problem.
 
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GRACE_ambassador said:
Oh, where Oh where do we begin?
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BBerean said:
The answer is get back to the Whole council of God as Apostle Paul proclaimed to do !
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The place dear ones, we know is not the shift towards our great chasm and is not even the chasm itself. Where we begin is what caused the chasm, which was the abandonment of what 'BBerean' stated straight from the Book of Acts, the Church's deal with the pagans is what kicked it off.

SOURCE
 
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