Do you consider those who use a different Bible version to not be Christian?
Non-essential Christian Doctrines
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Inquisitor ! Don't fall for this "Antichrist spirit" propaganda, that there is "non essential Biblical doctrine."
2 Tim 3:16 All scripture ( OT & NT ) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
in 2 Timothy 3:16 it says that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God” means that the entire body of Scripture—not merely parts—is divinely inspired, authoritative, and necessary for revealing God’s will and forming righteous character. The phrase “given by inspiration of God” (Greek: theopneustos) literally means “God-breathed,” showing that Scripture came directly from the divine source through human messengers under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
The Biblical Explanation
In 2 Timothy 3:16–17, Paul affirms that all Scripture is of divine origin and has four purposes:
- Doctrine – providing foundational truth for faith.
- Reproof – exposing error and sin.
- Correction – guiding back to righteousness.
- Instruction – training believers to live holy lives.
- 2 Peter 1:20–21 – “Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
- Deuteronomy 8:3 – “Man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord.”
- Matthew 4:4 – Jesus quotes this, showing that every word of God nourishes spiritual life.
- Psalm 12:6 – “The words of the Lord are pure words.”
- Psalm 119:160 – “Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth forever.”
- Proverbs 30:5 – “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.”
- John 10:35 – “The scripture cannot be broken.”
- Romans 15:4 – “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning.”
The Roman Catholic Church is desperate to take the world back to the Dark Ages, where THEY controlled what was and wasn't Bible doctrine and the understanding there of. ... They lost that control with the Protestant Reformation and they have been working feverishly, with Great Success ever since, to regain "that authority" which is in direct opposition to God and His authority.. ( Tis why and how we know that the Papacy is the Antichrist spirit in the world. The "Man of Lawlessness" that you reference ...
Rev. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and ALL the world wondered after the beast.
Revelation 12:12“Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
My view is that the use of the KJV versus Modern Bibles falls under non-essential doctrine, meaning it is not an issue that should divide true believers in many cases. In other words, I believe those who use Modern Bibles can still be saved and are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I can fellowship with them even if they do not use the KJV (as long as they don't hold to false doctrine or have hatred in their heart toward me and other believers who hold to the KJV-only or Core-KJV positions).
Furthermore, I am also not claiming that everyone who attacks the KJV is necessarily unsaved, either. I said "viciously" attacks. In other words, as long as a believer does not harbor hatred in their heart toward me or others who believe in the preserved words of God, and they do not hold to false doctrines, I can still view them as fellow believers in Christ. It really depends on whether they are clinging to teachings that contradict the fundamentals of the faith as a result of what they have absorbed from those Modern Bibles. Many Christians still believe what is right in spite of using Modern Bibles, but in some cases, those same Bibles have led others into error.
For example, if a professing believer holds to the false view promoted by the NASB in John 1:18 that Jesus is a begotten God in the sense that Christ became God at a certain point in time, then I would disfellowship with that person. Such a belief distorts the eternal deity of Christ and results in worshiping a false god. Likewise, if someone rejects the Trinity because 1 John 5:7 is not in their Modern Bible, I would obviously not have fellowship with them or regard them as a saved Christian.
So the key distinction is doctrinal: salvation and fellowship should be based on core biblical truths, while discernment is still needed for those who adopt false teachings that stem from corrupted translations or show hatred toward the brethren who believe in God’s Word and in His promises that His Word is perfect and will be preserved forever.
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AI is a misleading term. It is not a real intelligence like that of a human being. It is not self-aware. It is simply software. Morality cannot be applied to digital bots or software, since they will not be held accountable at any judgment (Which I am sure you would agree).
AI programs such as ChatGPT can cater to your own preferred beliefs if you ask them to, or if they already recognize your belief from your previous questions. It is still just software. Therefore, AI cannot be right or wrong, since it is not a real human but only a programmed system (But I am sure this was just a minor oversight on your part and not what you truly meant).
In any event, it is clear that Fellowship777 is either asking this AI to defend his viewpoint from his Seventh Day Adventist belief, or the AI already understands he is a Seventh Day Adventist and will give answers for him based on that belief system in future conversations to satisfy him in his closed worldview. Fellowship777 is not asking the AI to give an unbiased answer from a non–Seventh Day Adventist perspective that is based on what the Bible actually says plainly alone.
I do not recall ever asking ChatGPT about tithing before, but when I did, it explained that the mandated ten percent tithe under the Mosaic Law is not a binding command on Christians under the New Covenant, citing 2 Corinthians 9:7 as an example. I agree with this stated fact by this AI software. This should have been the normal answer for Fellowship777 had received, but seeing he either asked the AI to cater to his belief for this question or the AI was aware of his belief, it gave him the biased 7th Day Adventist answer he was seeking.
I prefer Perplexity.ai when it comes to confirming biblical topics, as it tends to be a little more accurate in this area (Although it does have a Modern Critical Text bias at times). It does provide sources and yet, you do have to double check them to see if it pans out (Which is 50/50). ChatGPT software has been known to give false facts at times about what others believe, occasionally providing false citations. I mainly use ChatGPT for rewrites, checking grammar, creating images, and reviewing large PDFs or YouTube transcriptions.
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Intresting list. One I think must know that "Doctine" which means teaaching comes from the word of God. So Salvation is essetial because it is the Gospel, Good news. Which Christ died, buried and rose again which we do not have to suffer eternal seperation from God because of our sin. Also the cause and effect of each doctrine and the errors of ones position of extremism of any one of them. The devil MO is to pervert the word of God. man has been a great cause of doing just that.
I think Jesus said it all in Matthew 23 of how legelistic leaders use the word of God to control people and pervert the word of GOD.
Jesu called them hypoctices and said DO not Follow them.
23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.
5 “Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’
8 “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 9 And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
13 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.
15 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!
16 “Blind guides! What sorrow awaits you! For you say that it means nothing to swear ‘by God’s Temple,’ but that it is binding to swear ‘by the gold in the Temple.’ 17 Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 And you say that to swear ‘by the altar’ is not binding, but to swear ‘by the gifts on the altar’ is binding. 19 How blind! For which is more important—the gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 When you swear ‘by the altar,’ you are swearing by it and by everything on it. 21 And when you swear ‘by the Temple,’ you are swearing by it and by God, who lives in it. 22 And when you swear ‘by heaven,’ you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne.
23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won’t accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel!
25 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy—full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 You blind Pharisee! First wash the inside of the cup and the dish, and then the outside will become clean, too.
27 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs—beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people’s bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 30 Then you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.’
31 “But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell?
34 “Therefore, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers of religious law. But you will kill some by crucifixion, and you will flog others with whips in your synagogues, chasing them from city to city. 35 As a result, you will be held responsible for the murder of all godly people of all time—from the murder of righteous Abel to the murder of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you killed in the Temple between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, this judgment will fall on this very generation.
So a church does not need to know that the man of lawlessness must appear before Jesus
returns?
Does the church need to know that if it receives the mark, then it is damned forever?
Does the church need to know that the man of lawlessness is running the show.
Persecuting the Christian world on an epic scale.
I would have a serious problem with anyone that simply said, Jesus will return.
I would say a revelation from the scripture not a phrase from scripture.
Here are some KJV Bible verses, that AI draws it's concept of "Tithing" from... ( I hope, this helps your understandingsit did mine )
1. Tithing as a divine institution ordained by God to acknowledge His lordship, express dependence on Him, and restore human dignity as stewards of His goods
God’s lordship over all provision
Deuteronomy 14:22‑23 – “Thou shalt truly tithe all that thy seed bringeth forth …”
Psalm 24:1 – “The earth is the LORD’S, and the fullness thereof…
”Human dependence on God for blessings
Genesis 14:20 – “And blessed be the most high God, … who delivered thine enemies into thine hand.” (Abram gives a tenth to Melchizedek)
Leviticus 27:30 – “And the LORD said unto Moses, … every thing that is the tenth part of the land … shall be holy unto the LORD.
”Stewardship and dignity of the giver
Nehemiah 10:35‑37 – The people pledge “to bring the firstfruits … and the tithes … into the storerooms … that there may be a store for the Levites …
” Malachi 3:10 – “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse … that there may be meat in my house…”
2. Tithing as an act of recognition that God is the source of all blessings, a way to cultivate beneficence and gratitude, and a means to keep God as the center of life
Recognition of God as source
Deuteronomy 8:18 – “But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God … for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth.”
Psalm 50:10 – “For every beast of the forest is mine, …
”Cultivating gratitude & generosity
2 Chronicles 31:5‑6 – “And they gave of the increase of their fields… to the priests…”
Acts 20:35 – “It is more blessed to give than to receive.
”Keeping God central
Matthew 6:33 – “But seek ye first the kingdom of God…” (tithes are part of seeking first)
( Tithing is an act of our Love for God as well as for others
Hebrews 13:16 – “And do not forget to do good and to share…” (the spirit of giving aligns with keeping God at the heart of life).
3. Tithing was instituted by God even before the Mosaic law, linked with God’s creative and redemptive work, and was not repealed by Christ (remains binding – Matthew 23:23)
Pre‑Mosaic origin
Genesis 14:20 – Abram gives a tenth to Melchizedek, “priest of the most high God.”
Connected to creation/redemption
Psalm 104:14‑15 – “He causeth the grass … to grow for the cattle …” (God provides the produce that becomes the tithe).
Romans 11:36 – “For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things…” (all creation belongs to Him).
Christ’s affirmation that it remains
Matthew 23:23 – “*Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees … * Ye pay tithes of mint, anise, and cummin… but have omitted the weightier matters of the law…”
Luke 18:12 – The Pharisee boasts, “I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.” (illustrating that the practice continued in Jesus’ day).
4. Focus on tithing as an expression of loyalty and stewardship rather than a salvational prerequisite
Loyalty / covenant relationship
Deuteronomy 26:12 – “When thou hast finished tithing all the tithes of thine increase…” (a covenant act).
Stewardship, not salvation
Ephesians 2:8‑9 – “For by grace are ye saved … not of works…” (salvation is separate from tithing).
Galatians 5:22‑23 – The fruit of the Spirit includes faithfulness—the heart behind giving, not the act itself, secures righteousness.
Giving as worship, not merit
Colossians 3:23‑24 – “Whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord…” (service, including tithes, is worship, not a merit‑earning ticket).
Your turning the liberty and freedom of the Christian world under grace. Into a set of rules and laws.
Let's ask AI the following question.
Is tithing in the Old Testament like every other instruction in the O.T.
Been replaced by grace and the expression of the Holy Spirit through the fruit of generosity.
Were N.T Christians encouraged to give in love not as a rule or law?
AI said:
Yes — that’s exactly the New Testament pattern.
Let’s walk through this using Scripture only.
1. Tithing was part of the Old Covenant system
- Leviticus 27:30 – “All the tithe of the land… is the LORD’s.”
- Numbers 18:21–24 – The tithe was commanded to support the Levites who served in the temple.
- Deuteronomy 14:22–29 – There were actually multiple tithes in Israel’s law: one for the Levites, one for festivals, and one for the poor every third year.
2. The law and its commands—including tithing—were fulfilled in Christ
- Romans 10:4 – “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”
- Hebrews 7:12 – “When there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.”
- The priesthood changed from Levi to Christ, the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7:11–28), so the legal structure tied to Levi—including tithing—was set aside.
Instead of a fixed percentage, believers are led by love and grace.
- 2 Corinthians 9:7 – “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
- 2 Corinthians 8:3–4 – The Macedonians “gave according to their means and beyond their means, of their own accord.”
- Acts 2:44–45; 4:32–35 – The early believers shared everything; their giving flowed from love, not obligation.
- Galatians 5:22–23 – “The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace… kindness, goodness…” Generosity is an expression of this fruit, not a rule.
- 1 John 3:17 – “If anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?”
- Romans 12:8 – “The one who contributes, in generosity.”
- Acts 20:35 – “It is more blessed to give than to receive.”
Summary
Old Covenant New Covenant
Legal tithes tied to temple & priesthood
Voluntary giving led by the Spirit
Compulsion & obligation
Freedom & love
Based on law
Based on grace
Limited to 10% (or more under various tithes)
Unlimited, according to love and ability
Conclusion:Yes — tithing, like other Old Testament ordinances, was replaced by grace. New Testament giving springs from the fruit of the Spirit, chiefly love and generosity, not from a written rule.
Take the correction to heart and learn to be led by the Holy Spirit and not by some sect in Christianity.
"I would have a serious problem with anyone that simply said, Jesus will return."
I was replying to that statement. The entire point of the original post was to list Doctrines on which Christians differ, but are not essential to fellowship. There are many other posts here that go into the specifics of any given doctrine.
"False Doctrine" is a Christian non-essential. Correct Doctrine is a Christian essential.
Nobody here is talking about false doctrine, except you, and you never actually state what your doctrine is. Thanks for playing."False Doctrine" is a Christian non-essential. Correct Doctrine is a Christian essential.
The issue of have with a flat list of doctrines is that they do not take in the fuller revelation.
It's ok to say "saved by grace through faith" but that is a hollow statement without any understanding.
The statement is a legal point that our salvation is wholly based on Christ's atonement.
Which is absolutely true.
If that statement above is separated from the rest of the content of the letters.
Then Christians stumble into the idea that their Christian lives do not need to reflect the life of Jesus.
No one is saved by a list of empty doctrinal statements, never.
If a Christian does not bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit then, in the end they are lost.
If a Christian down the track denies Jesus they also are lost.
If a Christian falls asleep in their Christian life they miss the bridegroom.
You cannot say on the one hand that we are saved by grace through faith.
Then on the other hand fail to walk in the Holy Spirit.
You cannot be a lukewarm Christian.
No one can deny this.
No matter where you go, there you are.Do you believe correct doctrine is a non-essential Christian Doctrine?