Noah’s ark and faith

[Pilgrimshope]

You ignored Luke 1. The cross was a mystery hid by God on purpose. Why? So it would take place. If Satan understood that the promised Messiah was going to give his life as a ransom for sin, he never would have initiated the cross to happen. Satan thought he was gaining the victory.

1 Corinthians 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

satan initiated the crucifixion ? I thought it was Gods plan for Jesus to willingly shed his blood and fulfill the curse for mankind ?



“whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t think Satan initiated the crusfixion , he was trying to stop Jesus sacrifice break Jesus forst through temptation , then through all the accusations and trials then through the beatings and Shane’s and no kings then through horrible suffering in the cross

satan was always trying to stop Jesus from teaching the people and also from giving his life form thier sins

God planned Jesus death and resurrection before he created the world

 

[Nehemiah6]

How come you did not depict Job in that art?

 

[lawrence101]

The Bible says no such thing as what you described. God (the pre-incarnate Christ) would have spoken to Noah as man to man.

How do you know ? and who's saying it did ? I said " IF"

 

[Cameron143]

How come you did not depict Job in that art?

Do you have a recent photo of him?

 

[John146]

Satan knows the Bible better than you and I do. While he may not have understood fully, I'm pretty sure He knows the serpent getting its head crushed is Him.

The entire OT is about the attacks on the seedline of Genesis 3:15 all the way up to the cross.

 

[Cameron143]

How do you know ? and who's saying it did ? I said " IF"

It was likely a preincarnate visitation of Jesus. We just aren't given the details.

 

[John146]

They are the same!! I assure you why would they be different, this is a known fact. Please explain then the differences using scriptures. they are synonymous that is all.

Blessings.

Things that are different are not the same. God and heaven are not the same, thus, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are different. God created the heaven and the earth. God is a spirit. Heaven is a created place. The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, while the kingdom on heaven is a physical kingdom on earth.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

 

[Cameron143]

The entire OT is about the attacks on the seedline of Genesis 3:15 all the way up to the cross.

I don't disagree. But Peter in his sermon says Jesus was delivered up by the predetermined council of God and the hands of wicked men. No mention of Satan. I will grant that he entered into Judas so he wasn't exactly against the idea.

 

[lawrence101]

It was likely a preincarnate visitation of Jesus. We just aren't given the details.

Ok i'll buy that, would that be in a dream or in the natural physical realm ? To put it another way did God speak to him audibly using sound waves ? We know God can speak directly to his mind.

 

[Cameron143]

Ok i'll buy that, would that be in a dream or in the natural physical realm ?

I don't know. The Bible doesn't say?

 

[Magenta]

Things that are different are not the same. God and heaven are not the same, thus, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are different. God created the heaven and the earth. God is a spirit. Heaven is a created place. The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, while the kingdom on heaven is a physical kingdom on earth.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

There are three heavens... one of them cannot be a created place, because it is God's abode.

 

[Cameron143]

Things that are different are not the same. God and heaven are not the same, thus, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are different. God created the heaven and the earth. God is a spirit. Heaven is a created place. The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, while the kingdom on heaven is a physical kingdom on earth.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Why isn't that spiritual language to you?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do you have a recent photo of him?

Sure.

 

[lawrence101]

I don't know. The Bible doesn't say?

Ok that's fair . I actually had you mixed up with Nehemiah6 ( post 123 )

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

You ignored Luke 1. The cross was a mystery hid by God on purpose. Why? So it would take place. If Satan understood that the promised Messiah was going to give his life as a ransom for sin, he never would have initiated the cross to happen. Satan thought he was gaining the victory.

1 Corinthians 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Dear John,
Jesus suffering was not a hidden fact, it was was prophesied in the OT by isaiah see chap 53, Jesus suffered the worst possible death and torture because of Satan , Satan knew all of this, Satan can only do what is allowed by the lord and no more, else we would all be dead already! the words of Paul are difficult to understand please believe in the words of Jesus he is THE ONLY the way to life.

Blessings

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Things that are different are not the same. God and heaven are not the same, thus, the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are different. God created the heaven and the earth. God is a spirit. Heaven is a created place. The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, while the kingdom on heaven is a physical kingdom on earth.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

GOD reigns over his kingdom, therefore the kingdom of God is the Kingdom of heaven

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

signing off, thank you all for the posts, I learned many things today and I am grateful ,
Blessings all and good night.

 

[Nehemiah6]

How do you know ? and who's saying it did ? I said " IF"

Yes. And I responded to the "if". When God spoke to Abraham (Gen 15:1), it was "the Word of the LORD" who appeared to him in a vision. But when three strangers (men) appeared outside Abraham's tent and he entertained them, this was not a vision but a visitation. One of those men was God (Jesus) who promised Sarah a son.

We know from John 1:1-3 that that "the Word" was the pre-incarnate Christ. So why would it not be reasonable to believe that "the Word" appeared to Noah as a Man and spoke to him directly? There must have been an extended discussion about the construction of the Ark. Perhaps a "blueprint" was created so that everything would be constructed meticulously. Specific directions would have been given as to where to obtain the gopher wood and the pitch, and where to locate the Ark. These are all reasonable assumptions.

 

[Cameron143]

Ok that's fair . I actually had you mixed up with Nehemiah6 ( post 123 )

He must be good looking too.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

no, no, no, not to the jews only, initially yes but before his ascension he said to the disciples preach the good news to all nations!!

mark 15: 16
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Peace be upon you.

For

Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Building the ark demonstrated that Noah believed God about flooding the earth and the ark saved Noah and his family (physically) from drowning. (Hebrews 11:17) If Noah would have refused to build the ark, then he would have demonstrated a lack of faith in what God told him about flooding the earth, but of course, that was not the case.

Amen that's a good way to say it mailman


every apostle and disciple of Jesus who preaches the gospel is a " preacher of Gods righteousness , is like Noah considered righteous in our generation because of remission of our sins were also like Noah in both cases there

To preach righteousness is

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:15‭-‬17 KJV

Like Noah did

By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Hebrews 11:7 KJV


To walk by faith is to act in faith W.ithout the "demonstration of his faith" which is that he built the ark as God told him to do, he wouldn't have had a boat. If he rejected te things God told him to do he wouldn't have believed an had faith