No major doctrines changed?

[Beckie]

And we see the Laodicean attitude of this new generation. They are more seekers of emotions than truth. They’d rather sing Hillsong than study the word.

Emotional? never seen folks more emotional then the Pentecostal dispensationalist of 65+ years ago most who were KJO, Singing I'll fly Away!

 

[cv5]

Provide proof that the "minority texts" are corrupt.

Also, you didn't answer the question: What are the doctrinal differences?

By this standard......(almost?) all modern versions are (ahem) "corrupt".....
The LXX is the CRITICAL standard reference text for certain portions of Scripture.

https://barrysetterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#destruction

The "Atomic time" and "light speed" columns are part of Barry's theory. The rest is impeccably Biblical.
The fact is that the LXX is the source material that is accurate and must be used for dating schemes.

Abraham was born in about 2322BC. The Exodus occurred in about 1603BC. Both far earlier than most commentators say.

 

[cv5]

By this standard......(almost?) all modern versions are (ahem) "corrupt".....
The LXX is the CRITICAL standard reference text for certain portions of Scripture.

https://barrysetterfield.org/scriptchron.htm#destruction

The "Atomic time" and "light speed" columns are part of Barry's theory. The rest is impeccably Biblical.
The fact is that the LXX is the source material that is accurate and must be used for dating schemes.

Abraham was born in about 2322BC. The Exodus occurred in about 1603BC. Both far earlier than most commentators say.

More on this topic......

https://christianchat.com/threads/king-davids-role-in-the-millennium.210129/post-5041792

 

[John146]

Emotional? never seen folks more emotional then the Pentecostal dispensationalist of 65+ years ago most who were KJO, Singing I'll fly Away!

My statements stands. I have seen these folks MORE emotional over singing a song than the preaching of the word. Many will judge an entire service based off the "worship." Why do many of the modern day churches turn their lights down? Have fog machines? Light show coordinated with the songs? Worship leaders posting selfies of them leading worship?

 

[Beckie]

My statements stands. I have seen these folks MORE emotional over singing a song than the preaching of the word. Many will judge an entire service based off the "worship." Why do many of the modern day churches turn their lights down? Have fog machines? Light show coordinated with the songs? Worship leaders posting selfies of them leading worship?

My statement also stands . So ?

 

[HeIsHere]

Ok then you know what those words mean?
And you think that inorder for the average reader to read the Bible they need to have google ready at hand to define archaic words rather than just have a Bible that they can read without having a dictionary with them. I think thats the very definition of difficult to read, that you need other resources inorder to read.

Let me state this again, what is incomprehensible to some is not incomprehensible to all.
It is relative.
I read plenty of text where I need to look up words and phrases, I prefer to scale up rather than down

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Let me state this again, what is incomprehensible to some is not incomprehensible to all.
It is relative.
I read plenty of text where I need to look up words and phrases, I prefer to scale up rather than down

No need for hostlility or frustration. I am engaging you in conversation.
Reading text that requires other resources is not by definition easy to read. The Bible even in modern language can be challenging. Reading through Kings and Chronicles and keeping up with who is who and King of what and keeping the time line together is quite the task. Throw in having to use other resources to define words compounds the problem.

 

[cv5]

Why do many of the modern day churches turn their lights down? Have fog machines? Light show coordinated with the songs? Worship leaders posting selfies of them leading worship?

Those be the ones where you run for the exits. And keep your wallet close on the way out.

 

[HeIsHere]

No need for hostlility or frustration. I am engaging you in conversation.
Reading text that requires other resources is not by definition easy to read. The Bible even in modern language can be challenging. Reading through Kings and Chronicles and keeping up with who is who and King of what and keeping the time line together is quite the task. Throw in having to use other resources to define words compounds the problem.

I am calm now,

I agree, yes it can be hard to read in places for some but not all people.
Every version has its strengths and down points.
Some people like the deep dive, they read several versions, they use an interlinear etc. some people like everything very accessible at their reading level.
It may or not be incomprehensible to some, it depends that is my only point.
@Dino246 made a general statement, I just think there is more to it.

Still sunny, lol

 

[Locoponydirtman]

I am calm now,

I agree, yes it can be hard to read in places for some but not all people.
Every version has its strengths and down points.
Some people like the deep dive, they read several versions, they use an interlinear etc. some people like everything very accessible at their reading level.
It may or not be incomprehensible to some, it depends that is my only point.
@Dino246 made a general statement, I just think there is more to it.

Still sunny, lol

Absolutely.
I myself use different Bible translations, but read the NKJV. Which is what i recommend. For casual reading find one that reads nice and easy and flows nicely for you. For study use many translations, and other resources as well.
Im not against the KJV. I am against KJVO.

 

[Dino246]

This is what you stated.

Let's put it this way there is no evidence to support this.

What makes text incomprehensible to someone is based on a lot of different factors not just how different it is from modern English.

So no not a logical fallacy, it is a broad sweeping claim with no evidence that is my main point.

Your misrepresentation of my words and criticism of that misrepresentation IS a fallacy. I’ll deal with the rest of your errors later.

 

[HeIsHere]

Absolutely.
I myself use different Bible translations, but read the NKJV. Which is what i recommend. For casual reading find one that reads nice and easy and flows nicely for you. For study use many translations, and other resources as well.
Im not against the KJV. I am against KJVO.

Thank you, exactly what I have been trying to say.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your misrepresentation of my words and criticism of that misrepresentation IS a fallacy. I’ll deal with the rest of your errors later.

Please don't.

Me and @Locoponydirtman have it all settled.
Carry on with the others.

 

[Beckie]

Emotional? never seen folks more emotional then the Pentecostal dispensationalist of 65+ years ago most who were KJO, Singing I'll fly Away!

Blade
why the sad face ?

 

[hornetguy]

So, when you come across the many, many differences between the translations, the Holy Spirit leads you to the right wording and truth of each verse?

Many, many ?..... brother, you only listed three that you thought were significant...

I personally disagree that they are significant, but here we are.

I would argue that MOST of the differences you see are of zero consequence in the original meaning and intent of scripture.

And, yes, if there is a slight difference in wording from translation to translation, I absolutely believe the Spirit will guide the reader to the truth, no matter which version has it. (likely BOTH versions have it)

 

[hornetguy]

Anyone who has studied Shakespeare in high school can understand the KJV.

First of all, I'm not sure that they study Shakespeare in high school any more. Secondly, MOST students will have no clue what MANY of the phrases and terms mean in the KJV, even if they studied Shakespeare. Too many of the phrases and wordings have no meaning to us today. What about people that DON'T get to study Shakespeare in high school? They are simply out of luck when it comes to Bible study?

 

[hornetguy]

You are not getting my point, its okay.

Have a good day, cold but the sun is shining here, so its all good.

i think it's the other way around.... I don't think you are getting HIS (and our) point.
While the KJV may be a very good translation, the language is simply archaic and difficult to understand.
It has been proven beyond doubt by scholars that make a living of studying scripture that some of the modern translations are MUCH more accurate than the KJV....

and, what is more, they are written in modern English. BIG deal, for the "common man"....

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

And we see the Laodicean attitude of this new generation. They are more seekers of emotions than truth. They’d rather sing Hillsong than study the word.

The Generation before my own saw my Generation and future Generations as Laodecian that really began early late 80s.

They were pretty accurate in their understanding of the Moral Compass we would be experiencing.

When I think back in my lifetime and how people were, even to one another compared to now, felt the shift into Laodecia around late 80s.
But the late 90s was a shift in technology and Morality has been lost ever sense.

 

[hornetguy]

and Morality has been lost ever sense.

Umm.... some of us never lost it....

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Umm.... some of us never lost it....

Amen!
It also means we Remember how it was to serve God before the days of mobile devices.

We drove miles to meet with like Believers and communicate with everyone and we actually liked doing that. Looked forward to do it more.

I saw things that I have never seen again in the Body of God in late 60s early 70s Revivals.

It's just not the same. It's a major VOID in my life because those Moments in the late 60s early 70s were precious and I would love to see the Church Body that Strong again.

So Strong, our government paid attention.

Now the government is squashing Church Freedom and Say.

Definitely Laodecia!