New King James Version: Counterfeit

[Huckleberry]

even though it's based on the same manuscripts the KJV is on, but you know

Based on the same manuscripts, yes, but not translated accurately from them.

 

[Huckleberry]

The falsfication of evidence, lies, and fraud of the KJV-ONLY movement in combination with it's ungodliness, idolatry, and rebellion against God causes me to disregard it as an unfortunate happening of cult history.

That's quite the indictment you've made there, kid.
Wanna back it up with some facts?
How about at least one for each accusation.

 

[Praus]

That's quite the indictment you've made there, kid.
Wanna back it up with some facts?
How about at least one for each accusation.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...enies-divinity-jesus-christ-john-14-14-a.html

Iames 2:4 Are yee not then partiall in your selues, and are become iudges of euill thoughts?

Luke 14:10 But when thou art bidden, goe and sit downe in the lowest roume, that when he that bade thee commeth, hee may say vnto thee, Friend, goe vp higher: then shalt thou haue worship in the presence of them that sit at meate with thee.

 

[jimmydiggs]

That's quite the indictment you've made there, kid.

Paul told Timothy not to let people use age against their witness. So too shall I do with you, and I will raise it with Christs admonition not to cast pearls to pigs.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

The falsfication of evidence, lies, and fraud of the KJV-ONLY movement in combination with it's ungodliness, idolatry, and rebellion against God causes me to disregard it as an unfortunate happening of cult history.

Jimmy, how are people who believe God's word and who hold it in a high regard in rebellion against Him?

When you talk about falsification of evidence, lies, and fraud, you do realize that you are describing the very side you stand on, don't you?

You know, the "No Bible is Perfect" movement, that says it's up to YOU to PREFER which Bible you use.

Your not defending Final Authority. You and the side you are on attack Final Authority, and it causes Christians to doubt the accuracy and trustworthiness of the word of God.

Destructive textual critics like James White and Doug Kutilek produce apostates who critique the word of God.


We, on the other hand, who believe in the purity and perfection of the Authorized King James Bible defend Final Authority and we build people's faith in the word of God.

When a Christian believe's the word of God, God can use and bless that Christian and he will get a lot of things done for the Lord.

And another thing Jimmy, if you don't believe God's Book and if you don't accept it as the Final Written Authority. Then by default, you basically set up your mind and your own reasoning as your final authority.

 

[Praus]

Looks like I touched a pretty big nerve here.
No where in my original post are the words "final" or "perfect" used.
I don't know if the KJV is either. Here's what I do know after 18 years of studying this:
The KJV is the most honest and accurate English translation of the Holy Scriptures.
Every attempt to "correct" it has gotten it wrong.
The New World Translation that the JW's use is more correct that the NKJV.
As far as the whole "easier-to-read" reasoning for using other translations, I will say this:
One ought to raise his intellect to that of the Bible, rather than lowering that of the Bible's to his.

The New World Translation? Should we trust the Watchtower Society above the KJV translators own words? They advocate translating the Bible so everyone can understand it.

1611 King James Bible Introduction - THE TRANSLATORS TO THE READER.
But we desire that the Scripture may speake like it selfe, as in the language of Canaan, that it may bee understood even of the very vulgar.

 

[Praus]

Whys it unreadble?

What does "sith thou hast not hated blood" mean?

Ezek 35:6 Therefore, as I liue, saith the Lord God, I will prepare thee vnto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, euen blood shall pursue thee.

 

[Praus]

Jimmy, how are people who believe God's word and who hold it in a high regard in rebellion against Him?

Bible + idolotry = Bibliolatry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When you talk about falsification of evidence, lies, and fraud, you do realize that you are describing the very side you stand on, don't you?

You know, the "No Bible is Perfect" movement, that says it's up to YOU to PREFER which Bible you use.

That's preferable to KJV-only, since the KJV denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, it's best to use a variety of Bibles.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...enies-divinity-jesus-christ-john-14-14-a.html

Your not defending Final Authority. You and the side you are on attack Final Authority, and it causes Christians to doubt the accuracy and trustworthiness of the word of God.

Destructive textual critics like James White and Doug Kutilek produce apostates who critique the word of God.

That's preferable to KJV-only, since the KJV denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, it's best to use a variety of Bibles.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...enies-divinity-jesus-christ-john-14-14-a.html

We, on the other hand, who believe in the purity and perfection of the Authorized King James Bible defend Final Authority and we build people's faith in the word of God.

When a Christian believe's the word of God, God can use and bless that Christian and he will get a lot of things done for the Lord.

And another thing Jimmy, if you don't believe God's Book and if you don't accept it as the Final Written Authority. Then by default, you basically set up your mind and your own reasoning as your final authority.

That's preferable to KJV-only, since the KJV denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, it's best to use a variety of Bibles.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...enies-divinity-jesus-christ-john-14-14-a.html

 

[Huckleberry]

Paul told Timothy not to let people use age against their witness. So too shall I do with you, and I will raise it with Christs admonition not to cast pearls to pigs.

Confirmed:
You have zero credibility.
G'night, kid.

 

[Vulate]

The N. I. V. INFECTION

That is all.

 

[GreenNnice]

Jimmy, how are people who believe God's word and who hold it in a high regard in rebellion against Him?

When you talk about falsification of evidence, lies, and fraud, you do realize that you are describing the very side you stand on, don't you?

You know, the "No Bible is Perfect" movement, that says it's up to YOU to PREFER which Bible you use.

Your not defending Final Authority. You and the side you are on attack Final Authority, and it causes Christians to doubt the accuracy and trustworthiness of the word of God.

Destructive textual critics like James White and Doug Kutilek produce apostates who critique the word of God.


We, on the other hand, who believe in the purity and perfection of the Authorized King James Bible defend Final Authority and we build people's faith in the word of God.

When a Christian believe's the word of God, God can use and bless that Christian and he will get a lot of things done for the Lord.

And another thing Jimmy, if you don't believe God's Book and if you don't accept it as the Final Written Authority. Then by default, you basically set up your mind and your own reasoning as your final authority.

The word of God comes to us from within, and, if you need to read the KJV only go for it, but don't spew that judgmentalilsm on every one else or, it's just as jimdig said, you're in a cult and you're not appreciating the word of God for all it's worth. Ever heard of the 'Textus Receptus?' That's a version that's before the KJV and it's root line deeper from within the walls of Christian bible translation than the KJV, by about 300 years.

The movement that I stand on is God's movement and that's the side I take and spewing this garbaj about one version only that all should be reading is taking the Scripture completely out of context.

Whatever version we are to read, we are to read it with His Spirit from within us showing us what comes from us in revelation without any versional strings attached. The Lord leads. You only THINK you need the KJV only, Truth is, the Lord's Word is in many translations and many folks read them and get valuable insight from He who is within them.l And, that's plain as the posts on these pages, brother Hechoseme, and, hucklefinn

 

[ChosenbyHim]

The word of God comes to us from within, and, if you need to read the KJV only go for it, but don't spew that judgmentalilsm on every one else or, it's just as jimdig said, you're in a cult and you're not appreciating the word of God for all it's worth. Ever heard of the 'Textus Receptus?' That's a version that's before the KJV and it's root line deeper from within the walls of Christian bible translation than the KJV, by about 300 years.

The movement that I stand on is God's movement and that's the side I take and spewing this garbaj about one version only that all should be reading is taking the Scripture completely out of context.

Whatever version we are to read, we are to read it with His Spirit from within us showing us what comes from us in revelation without any versional strings attached. The Lord leads. You only THINK you need the KJV only, Truth is, the Lord's Word is in many translations and many folks read them and get valuable insight from He who is within them.l And, that's plain as the posts on these pages, brother Hechoseme, and, hucklefinn

The word of God comes from within? Chapter and Verse?



Now we are to meditate on the word and we are to memorize the word so that we have it in our heart.


And no GreenNnice, you are wrong. The New Version philosophy is that "No Bible is Perfect." And that removes Final Authority.


So the real cult is the Alexandrian crowd where they "Prefer" which Bible they will use. That is how I can discern that the New Version Philosophy is satanic. Because they always put it back to their preferences. And whenever we go by our own preferences, it leads to sin.


We need to submit to something. And to appreciate the word of God, we have to have the word of God.


As a Bible believer, I am a part of a group that goes all the way back to the Waldenses, the Vaudois, and back to the Early Christians of Antioch.


The New Versions are Vatican versions. Nearly all modern versions produced since 1881 come from the Roman Catholic Greek text. And the modern translations are not the word of God. The modern translations are counterfeits. Plain and simple. That's why they omit the verses that they do.


Here is just one example of what the modern versions omit:

Acts 8:37​

New International Version


New Living Translation


English Standard Version


Some of the modern versions will have this verse in their text, but they still put misleading footnotes in, and by doing so, are casting doubt upon the accuracy of the text.



Now here is the text of Acts 8:37 as found in the Authorized Version:


King James Bible
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.


So GreenNnice, why would the modern versions take that verse out? That is a very important verse of Scripture, showing the proper method and order of water baptism. Which is salvation first. Then water baptism comes after you get saved.


And that is only one of the Omissions that the New Versions have.


And yeah I read and use the King James Bible because it is the word of God. The Holy Spirit bears witness to His true word. Which is the Authorized Version.


Now as for the modern translations, the NIV, ESV, NASB, NLT, etc. are dead books. There is no power in them. The modern versions are translated from a different Greek text. Ever heard of the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus?


If you have not, then I suggest you do a study on those two texts. Dean Burgon did a good work exposing those two corrupt Greek texts.








And yes it does matter which Bible version we read from. If you want to have a powerful Christian life, then you read and submit to God's pure and perfect word.


So don't make this about our preferences GreenNnice, its not about our feelings or preferences. Our feelings will deceive us. We need to have a perfect absolute standard. And rest assured, that perfect standard is the Authorized King James Bible.

 

[Cee]

Don't listen to people who try to create obstacles to know God and His Word.

Jesus lowered them.

Finally, if you see people making conflicting statements and then ignore refutations only to reassert their dogma like they weren't refuted already. Run quickly, this person has an agenda and it's not to figure out the truth. You can quickly identify these people by their disregard for Scripture that opposes them and their use of 1 or 2 to support their POV. And their blatant attack on anyone who opposes them. There is no love in their words, they try to take away your peace if you don't agree with them, and anyone who opposes them is attacked as a person, while completely ignore well thought out objections.

Hope this helps.

C.

Thank you, all have given very good advice. I do find my NIV easiest for me at this point, I am learning more each day and pray about what I am learning. I would like to have various versions in my library someday.

 

[GreenNnice]

The word of God comes from within? Chapter and Verse?


This is your whole problem, CBH, you're stuck on man-made guidance, and, I am speaking of the Spirit's guidance, and, yes, whatever we learn comes from within, from Him, who is within us.

 

[Bookends]

Do you have a recommendation for someone like me?

NASB or NIV, or the NKJV, to study with. And why I say that is they both take into consideration the older, newer and better manuscripts that have been found prior to the KJV. The NASB is more a thought for thought translation in modern English, the NKJV is more of literal translation in modern language. I like to memorized scripture using one translation, the NJKV, but the others I use as well during study to bring clarity to passages I don't fully understand. That said, I don't think there is a perfect translation out there, just some are better then others.

 

[john832]

ACTUALLY, the NIV has a verse that is far more accurate than any other translation.

1 Timothy 2:12 should be translated as, "I do not permit a wife to teach or to assume authority over her husband; she must be quiet.

King James got that wrong.


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What you really mean is one should raise his intellect to that of King James, who was gay.​

King James had nothing to do with the actual translation, he commissioned the translators. Were the translators gay?

 

[john832]

The NKJV is so close to the NASB in its translation that I don't use them side by side in parallel mode in my software. For regular reading, it's more comfortable than the NASB. As a pastor, I recommend it.

As far as your comments here, you obviously are like all the other KJV only's on here: arrogant, & ill informed.

I have come to be a fan of the NKJV recently. It is very accurate (as far as a non Hebrew and Greek scholar like myself can determine) and is readable. The translators used current language construction in place of the archaic 1611 language. NO translation is without fault but the NKJV will NOT lead you to gehenna.

 

[Praus]

As a Bible believer, I am a part of a group that goes all the way back to the Waldenses, the Vaudois, and back to the Early Christians of Antioch.

I'm an Antiochian Syrian Christian going back more than 100 generations. Now you have to steal my grandmother's ethnic heritage? KJV-only is anti-Christian.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to loue one another: for hee that loueth another hath fulfilled the Law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adulterie, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steale, Thou shalt not beare false witnesse, Thou shalt not couet: and if there be any other commandement, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt loue thy neighbour as thy selfe.

The New Versions are Vatican versions. Nearly all modern versions produced since 1881 come from the Roman Catholic Greek text. And the modern translations are not the word of God. The modern translations are counterfeits. Plain and simple. That's why they omit the verses that they do.

Here is just one example of what the modern versions omit:

Acts 8:37​

New International Version
New Living Translation
English Standard Version

Some of the modern versions will have this verse in their text, but they still put misleading footnotes in, and by doing so, are casting doubt upon the accuracy of the text.

Now here is the text of Acts 8:37 as found in the Authorized Version:

King James Bible
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 8:37 is one reason I recommend the NASB as a study Bible, no "misleading footnotes" here.

Acts 8:37 [And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] (NASB)

The real Authorized Version looks like this, not the corrupt modern translation that you quoted above:

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou beleeuest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered, and said, I beleeue that Iesus Christ is the Sonne of God. (KJV)

And since Acts 8:37 is important to you, I assume you prefer the Vatican-approved Douay-Rheims-Challoner over the English Standard Version, which is missing the verse. So KJV-only supports the Vatican.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said: If thou believest with all thy heart, thou mayest. And he answering, said: I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (DR89)

 

[Praus]

The NKJV gets it wrong in the very first sentence:
Specifically the use of the word "heavens"
Genesis 1:1a establishes Gods creation of time, space, and matter.
There was one space, hence the use of the singular "heaven" in the AV.

This is false teaching, the KJV uses the singular "Heauen" not "heaven". The "heaven" spelling is a corrupt modernization to the purity of the Authorized Version.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth.

You already know that "heaven" is a corrupt modernizing "correction", so why not use the real AV?

The KJV is the most honest and accurate English translation of the Holy Scriptures.
Every attempt to "correct" it has gotten it wrong.

I have good news for you though, Huckleberry--the UCCSB-approved Douay-Rheims-Challoner translation uses the singular "heaven".

It's much easier to read than the KJV, so if one doesn't have the basic comprehension skills to read a real Authorized Version, then one can read the Catholic Bible, problems solved!

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. (DR89)

 

[Praus]

ACTUALLY, the NIV has a verse that is far more accurate than any other translation.

1 Timothy 2:12 should be translated as, "I do not permit a wife to teach or to assume authority over her husband; she must be quiet.

King James got that wrong.

The language is beautiful, "vsurpe authoritie" instead of "assume authority". It's like reading Shakespeare:

1 Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to vsurpe authoritie ouer the man, but to be in silence.

and easier to read that Wycliffe's 1394 Bible, which is more like reading Chaucer:

1 Tim 2:12 But Y suffre not a womman to teche, nether to haue lordschip on the hosebonde, but to be in silence.

And hey, it's archaic, but less archaic than the original languages, like Koine Greek.

suffer - Wiktionary

suffer (verb, third-person singular simple present suffers, present participle suffering, simple past and past participle suffered)
(transitive, archaic) To allow.

What you really mean is one should raise his intellect to that of King James, who was gay.

Gay thou writest? GAY!?!? His Majesty King James I requireth thee to appeareth before Court of Star Chamber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!