Never Believe

[theanointedwinner]

I can give quite scary descriptions of hell, @calibob can testify to that

 

[calibob]

There's no outside information from historians of that time that all those events took place, and no outside information from any other source either that those events took place.

And I mean the specifics of those events.

A quick side question.

How many angel's were present at the tomb of Jesus when his followers arrived?

One, Two, or None?

You can believe what ever you want. The Lord really manifested himself in my life, Magentas, @Deade 's, My first sponsor's and many others I have known in my life since it happened. You'll have plenty of company with atheists, wherever you wind up and we won't remember you in paradise or in the new kingdom. Betting against the Lord, is a sucker bet. Are you ready to pay up, sucker?

 

[theanointedwinner]

Go do your own research...figure it out and put it to rest....obviously you have not reached that point yet, otherwise you would not be here arguing.

The number of manuscript, far overwhelm Plato and many philosophy books, hence, to put it this way

Studying the Bible now = Bible just 40 years from crucifixion

And they would remember the event like it was just yesterday, for them

 

[UnderGrace]

There's no outside information from historians of that time that all those events took place, and no outside information from any other source either that those events took place.

And I mean the specifics of those events.

A quick side question.

How many angel's were present at the tomb of Jesus when his followers arrived?

One, Two, or None?

See you have not done your research

 

[tourist]

You poor Christian's, you're so persecuted.

I wouldn't say that I have been persecuted.

 

[theanointedwinner]

The number of manuscript, far overwhelm Plato and many philosophy books, hence, to put it this way

Studying the Bible now = Bible just 40 years from crucifixion

And they would remember the event like it was just yesterday, for them

You would probably consider internal evidence as circular logic, so "neutral" or zero on the score board

For external evidence, there are many non-Bible people with positive evidence for it, and no evidence against the biblical event

You may hope that there is one, but there isn't, because archaeologist haven't found such evidence, it is 99.999% more likely for archaeologist to find positive supporting evidence than negative

And people here can testify to the fact that I rarely claim such certainty

Riven, statistics and probability is against you for this, I know where I'm betting, do you?

 

[theanointedwinner]

You would probably consider internal evidence as circular logic, so "neutral" or zero on the score board

For external evidence, there are many non-Bible people with positive evidence for it, and no evidence against the biblical event

You may hope that there is one, but there isn't, because archaeologist haven't found such evidence, it is 99.999% more likely for archaeologist to find positive supporting evidence than negative

And people here can testify to the fact that I rarely claim such certainty

Riven, statistics and probability is against you for this, I know where I'm betting, do you?

The research have already been done, what do you have to say?

 

[Magenta]

Is this the Messiah test?

Born of a virgin? Which god man in history doesn't fit that bill.

But go on.

Tell me which others were. Oh, yeah, Zeitgeist is bunk. Go ahead. Give it your best shot.

How quickly you forget You said it was super easy to fulfil prophesy. How many have you fulfilled???

 

[calibob]

What kind of dumb bell would believe, so many witness would allow themselves be beaten, stoned, crucified, left to starve to death and or fed to lions to perpetrate a fraud or hoax, with out a profit motive? Come on, surrender, your losing and you know it. Do disbelieve out of logic or hatred against some greater than men's tiny minds?

 

[theanointedwinner]

If riven likes to use the word "sadistic", we'll give him something to think about

For hell, even the most sadistic punishing description a depraved psychopathic wordsmith can possibly come up with, will fail to describe a small drop off how bad it really is

To put it another way, hell is so bad you would pray to Jesus to get you out of there, and heaven is so wonderful, you would pray to Jesus to get you there

 

[Magenta]

@Magenta, it seems easier that he would be born of a virgin than to be born again

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[Magenta]

What kind of dumb bell would believe, so many witness would allow themselves be beaten, stoned, crucified, left to starve to death and or fed to lions to perpetrate a fraud or hoax, with out a profit motive? Come on, surrender, your losing and you know it. Do disbelieve out of logic or hatred against some greater than men's tiny minds?

The pride of life is what blinds the minds of men until they are born again of the Spirit

 

[theanointedwinner]

You have the faith of a centurion

Wow!

 

[theanointedwinner]

The pride of life is what blinds the minds of men until they are born again of the Spirit

Can he ever be reasoned with?

 

[theanointedwinner]

Even with unreasoning animals, God says, "yes"

 

[calibob]

Jesus even did not perform some miracles for unbelievers. If he chooses the grave over humility, that's on him. "Chose for yourself who you will serve. As for me and my household, we choose the Lord."

 

[Magenta]

Can he ever be reasoned with?

God invites us to reason with Him. However, since Riven has brought his objections to us, we answer him while we can. We are simply doing what Scriptures tell us to do, for "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" One day, some glorious day, he may approach God with the humility required, and be willing to listen and obey instead of argue and rebel.

 

[theanointedwinner]

I remember you have given me this on a sacred shrine, a temple with my most sacred treasure

But, don't give to dogs what is sacred, or else, they will tear it apart, and if they blaspheme what I consider most sacred, with mockery or belittlement

I would need to get my eyes washed, we have so many to tell riven, but riven is not ready

 

[theanointedwinner]

God invites us to reason with Him. However, since Riven has brought his objections to us, we answer him while we can. We are simply doing what Scriptures tell us to do, for "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" One day, some glorious day, he may approach God with the humility required, and be willing to listen and obey instead of argue and rebel.

Sometimes it seems like rapture will happen sooner before that, we need faith

 

[theanointedwinner]

One day, some glorious day, he may approach God with the humility required, and be willing to listen and obey instead of argue and rebel.

As much as this seems like fantasy, I hope that this is reality, let's pray that this is reality