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[Dino246]

It would seem you are confused to just what is faith and where does it come from ? Obviously not after the imagination of our hearts who had no faith nothing nada before God worked in us to both will and do His good pleasure . Its easy to see you walk by sight after the corruptible(the whole creation).

I see far more evidence of scripturally sound faith in his posts than in yours.

Did the "flesh and blood" of the Son of man, Jesus who infallibly informs us. . it profits for nothing because it is the unseen Spirit alone that could profit ? Did his flesh and blood enter heaven?

He ascended bodily (Acts 1:9) and now sits at the right hand of the Father (Eph 1:20; Col 3:1).

You have failed to provide any Scriptural support for your assertion that Jesus' flesh was not corrupted, aging, dying leading towards returning to the lifeless, spiritless rudiments as food for worms .

He has provided plenty of support. It is you who haven't provided support for your views. You just toss out a bunch of random verses plucked out of context.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Its easy to see you walk by sight after the corruptible(the whole creation).

thanks for your astute insight into my heart

now to set you straight (again) ... just because I acknowledge every facet of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... including His earthly ministry ... does not mean I "walk by sight" as you erroneously believe.

I also enjoy all of God's creation. Even in its present state of groaning and travailing due to the fall of Adam, there are wondrous things to behold. All of creation points to our Creator and every sunrise or sunset I behold, or beautiful, fragrant field of flowers I smell, or sound I hear (like the waves crashing on the shoreline), or delightful meal I eat ... all of these things bring my heart close to Him as I praise Him for His wondrous works.

God does not tell us to hide our heads in the sand and not enjoy His marvelous creation. We are not to worship His creation. Our worship is to God alone. Our worshipping God includes honoring Him in our enjoyment of that which He has created.

We do not walk after the oral tradition of men as away of knowing Christ after the courted rudiments of this world. That would be more philosophy 101. No circular law of reasoning. We are warned of those antichrists that walk after the rudiments of this world .No faith needed . Just look and believe.

Actually, the "philosophy 101", "circular law reasoning", "rudiments of this world" would be that which is coming from the one who continues to purport that my Lord Jesus Christ was in any way, shape, or form "corrupt" ... as if God would have an only begotten Son with any blemish or spot.

You are till awaiting redemption if you believe there was any corruption in the Lamb of God.

God is not a man as us and neither is there any infallible fleshly interpreter set between God not seen and man seen (daysman)

you keep focusing on the daysman as if the daysman of Job 9:33 is the Mediator of 1 Tim 2:5.

The daysman is not the Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus of 1 Tim 2:5. This has been explained to you and you still turn a hardened heart to God's Word because you restrain the truth in unrighteousness.

The daysman of Job 9:33 is a judge.

The Mediator of 1 Tim 2:5 is one who intervenes to restore peace between two parties.


Our Mediator does not judge God ... our Mediator brings us to God. Ephesians 2:13 tells us But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


There is no one who can judge God, therefore there is no daysman. That was Job's point. Job refused to judge God and Job knew there was no one to stand between him and God and side with Job against God. Get that through your head and quit trying to claim the daysman of Job 9:33 is the Mediator of 1 Tim 2:5.

Did his flesh and blood enter heaven?

On the day He ascended up into heaven, His disciples saw Him go with their eyes:

Acts 1:

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.



When Stephen gave his wonderful witness, he said he saw the Lord Jesus Christ standing on the right hand of God:

Acts 7:

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.



When the Lord Jesus Christ returns, every eye shall see Him:

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him ...

For the three days he poured out His living sacrifice not seen,also preventing the flesh from further corruption..

There was no "corruption" in His flesh to "further" corrupt.

btw His offering was made on the cross ... not while He was in the grave.

The power needed to believe incorruptible God, not seen. Which is not after his flesh that he inherited from his mother. . . (what the eyes see the temporal).

Again, He was not like us. He was like Adam before the fall ... no sin or corruption in Him. He was not made after the image and likeness of Adam.

Joseph was not the father of Jesus. Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


God was the Father of Jesus. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.

When you claim that Jesus' flesh was corrupt, you claim that He Who fathered Jesus was corrupt. And that is an outright lie.

Get it through your head ... there was absolutely no corruption in Jesus. There was no blemish, no spot to mar His perfect offering.

No power before the demonstration and no power after. (nothing, nada, zip )

Seriously? He had no power?

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


The fullness of the Godhead bodily ... that which is seen ...

You have failed to provide any Scriptural support for your assertion that Jesus' flesh was not corrupted, aging, dying leading towards returning to the lifeless, spiritless rudiments as food for worms .

I have provided Scriptural proof. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God without blemish and without spot (no corrupt flesh) ... you just don't believe Scripture.

1 Peter 1:18-19 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot



Scriptural support that Jesus laid down His life of His own volition:

John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


Death is the result of sin ... Jesus knew no sin ... there was no sin in Him:

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.



Scriptural support that Jesus' flesh did not see corruption "leading towards returning to the lifeless, spiritless rudiments as food for worms"

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.



And again, garee, where is your Scriptural support stating that Jesus' flesh was corrupt. And I am asking for chapter and verse stating that His (Jesus) flesh was corrupt ... not your misinterpretation of verses, nor your philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[garee]

thanks for your astute insight into my heart

No man can see into the heart of another. But why keep defending the flesh as the temporal things seen? It would seem you make it after what the eyes see rather than defending the faith of God, that defends us as the armor of God?

now to set you straight (again) ... just because I acknowledge every facet of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ... including His earthly ministry ... does not mean I "walk by sight" as you erroneously believe.

You did not acknowledge he of his own flesh clearly informs us it profits for nothing, zero zip . Its the unseen spiritual work that alone did profit .

You did not acknowledge that it was used as one time demonstration in respect to sinful flesh he inherited from his mother. Some did know him by faith when he was in the corrupted flesh the Son of man inherited from Mary. God has no flesh to give. no fleshly inheritance from the unseen Spirit of Truth .

According to Romans 8 it must be corrupt in order to demonstrate what the letter of the law that kills could not do . Showing us all men are guilty before God. Romans 8 reveals the law of faith (the unseen) . Two laws working as one perfect law. Again the letter of the law as that seen and the Spirit of Christ's faith not seen .

God is not a man. . as us having both a corrupted body and a corruptible spirit .Never was a man as us never could be. And there is no infallible fleshly mediator set between eternal God, not seen and temporal man, seen. One is our teacher not seen in heaven . He alone is our good master

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, (what the eyse see) but after the Spirit. (reveals) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.(unseen) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, (not the corrupted flesh of the Son of man Jesus) he is none of his. Romans 8: 1-9

And again, garee, where is your Scriptural support stating that Jesus' flesh was corrupt. And I am asking for chapter and verse stating that His (Jesus) flesh was corrupt ... not your misinterpretation of verses, nor your philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

You are again trying to turn the rule of faith upside down. its the philosophers that need the things seen rudiments of this world to support there theories . God is not made up of the rudiments of this world .Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new heavens and earth

God for three days while performing the Spiritual work kept the worms and flies from total destruction .No such thing as holiness of the flesh. No power can come from dead things. It is a living sacrifice. God cannot die. the one time demonstration is over.

No flesh of holiness. Why can you not get over it?

Romans 1:3-4 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:. . .(not by his flesly birth.

No power, no need to attributed to the flesh with those who walk by faith, the unseen eternal.

 

[Dino246]

No man can see into the heart of another. But why keep defending the flesh as the temporal things seen? It would seem you make it after what the eyes see rather than defending the faith of God, that defends us as the armor of God?

You did not acknowledge he of his own flesh clearly informs us it profits for nothing, zero zip . Its the unseen spiritual work that alone did profit .

You did not acknowledge that it was used as one time demonstration in respect to sinful flesh he inherited from his mother. Some did know him by faith when he was in the corrupted flesh the Son of man inherited from Mary. God has no flesh to give. no fleshly inheritance from the unseen Spirit of Truth .

According to Romans 8 it must be corrupt in order to demonstrate what the letter of the law that kills could not do . Showing us all men are guilty before God. Romans 8 reveals the law of faith (the unseen) . Two laws working as one perfect law. Again the letter of the law as that seen and the Spirit of Christ's faith not seen .

God is not a man. . as us having both a corrupted body and a corruptible spirit .Never was a man as us never could be. And there is no infallible fleshly mediator set between eternal God, not seen and temporal man, seen. One is our teacher not seen in heaven . He alone is our good master

You are again trying to turn the rule of faith upside down. its the philosophers that need the things seen rudiments of this world to support there theories . God is not made up of the rudiments of this world .Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new heavens and earth

God for three days while performing the Spiritual work kept the worms and flies from total destruction .No such thing as holiness of the flesh. No power can come from dead things. It is a living sacrifice. God cannot die. the one time demonstration is over.

No flesh of holiness. Why can you not get over it?

No power, no need to attributed to the flesh with those who walk by faith, the unseen eternal.

 

[garee]

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Beam me up Dino 1 of 246. Are you OK? . Perhaps stuck on a parable?

Try the biblical prescription for rightly dividing the parables by using things seen, the temporal to give the unseen spiritual understanding. (The gospel) in order to represent the unseen things of God who is not a man as us.

Remember what we are as sons of God is not what we will be.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Is there any power that could be attributed to what the eyes see? Holiness in the flesh the temporal as to what the eyes see, or holiness in respect to the unseen, eternal, Spirit of Truth ?

Which good master will you serve today? Seeing no can serve two. Remember when the Son of man was accused of being that good unseen master he refused to stand in the Holy place of God .But rather replied. One is good. God not seen. God is not a man as us.

Jesus had the same earthen corruptible body. It was used as a outward demonstration to do what the letter of the law could not do create eternal faith coming from God. . (Romans 8) No forgiveness after the corruptible temporal things of men seen . Forgivable by the works of the Spirit of faith .It works in the believer to both will and perform the good pleasure of our one master in heaven

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (unseen ) to faith:(unseen ) as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, (things seen the tempororal). even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,(eternal not seen) neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Romans 1: 17-23

corruptible man = what the eyes see no faith needed..

uncorruptible God = the invisible things of God.the faith of Christs as his lbor of love neded . As alwaysour first love of knowing God is God must do the first works

 

[reneweddaybyday]

No man can see into the heart of another.

Then quit making your erroneous statements that others "walk by sight" just because we understand Scripture as it pertains to Jesus Christ being the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh).

Just because you do not believe my Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh) does not mean I or other fellow believers "walk by sight".

But why keep defending the flesh as the temporal things seen?

Stating that my Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh) is not "defending the flesh".

Stating that my Lord Jesus Christ the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh) is stating what Scripture reveals.

It would seem you make it after what the eyes see rather than defending the faith of God, that defends us as the armor of God?

Stating that my Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh) is stating the truth of Scripture ... which is "defending the faith".

You did not acknowledge he of his own flesh clearly informs us it profits for nothing, zero zip . Its the unseen spiritual work that alone did profit .

You can go on believing what you believe, even though you have been shown that you have completely misconstrued Scripture.

I choose to believe what Scripture tells me. And Scripture tells me that the Lord Jesus Christ had absolutely no blemish or spot in His flesh (i.e. no corruption).

You did not acknowledge that it was used as one time demonstration in respect to sinful flesh he inherited from his mother. Some did know him by faith when he was in the corrupted flesh the Son of man inherited from Mary.

Show me one verse in Scripture which indicates what you claim. Where does it states that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ had what you term "sinful flesh he inherited from his mother".

The angel, Gabriel, clearly told Mary And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God".

Holy ... not "corrupt" as you claim.

According to Romans 8 it must be corrupt in order to demonstrate what the letter of the law that kills could not do . Showing us all men are guilty before God. Romans 8 reveals the law of faith (the unseen) . Two laws working as one perfect law. Again the letter of the law as that seen and the Spirit of Christ's faith not seen .

Jesus stated that He came to fulfill the law (Matt 5:17)?

Do you now assert that Jesus did not fulfill the law?

God is not a man. . as us having both a corrupted body and a corruptible spirit .

That is what I have been telling you for pages and pages.

The Lord Jesus Christ was not like us. We were born in the image of our earthly father and mother. According to Heb 2:14, He only took part … He did not fully partake. The part He did not share fully with mankind was the corrupted, sinful part. None of that in Him … no blemish, no spot. Otherwise, His offering up of Himself would have been an abomination to God (Deut 17:1).

Never was a man as us never could be. And there is no infallible fleshly mediator set between eternal God, not seen and temporal man, seen. One is our teacher not seen in heaven . He alone is our good master

Learn Scripture before you make claims and assertions which completely contradict that God tells us:

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

You are again trying to turn the rule of faith upside down.

My asking you to provide Scripture which supports your claim is not me "trying to turn the rule of faith upside down".

I walk in accordance with the precepts set forth in Scripture as evidenced by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry. "It is written" was how He lived His life. I will follow His example.

its the philosophers that need the things seen rudiments of this world to support there theories . God is not made up of the rudiments of this world .

Living my life in accord with It is written is not walking after "philosophers" or the "rudiments of this world".

Again, garee, show me Scripture (chapter and verse) which states Jesus was corrupt in any way, shape, or form. You can't provide chapter and verse which states what you claim. Therefore, it is you who follows "philosophers" to "support [your] theories".

Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new heavens and earth

"corrupted flesh and blood could never enter" the existing heavens. Yet we know the disciples of Jesus saw with their eyes that Jesus ascended into heaven (Acts 1).

Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God (Acts 8).

No power, no need to attributed to the flesh with those who walk by faith, the unseen eternal.

You can keep following your "unseen eternal".

Your "unseen eternal" is nothing but you having been carried about by a wind of doctrine by the sleight of men and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive.

As for me and my house, we shall follow the Lord Jesus Christ. He has clothed me with His righteousness and I am brought close to the Father as I abide in my Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Dino246]

Beam me up Dino 1 of 246. Are you OK? . Perhaps stuck on a parable?

Try the biblical prescription for rightly dividing the parables by using things seen, the temporal to give the unseen spiritual understanding. (The gospel) in order to represent the unseen things of God who is not a man as us.

Remember what we are as sons of God is not what we will be.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Is there any power that could be attributed to what the eyes see? Holiness in the flesh the temporal as to what the eyes see, or holiness in respect to the unseen, eternal, Spirit of Truth ?

Which good master will you serve today? Seeing no can serve two. Remember when the Son of man was accused of being that good unseen master he refused to stand in the Holy place of God .But rather replied. One is good. God not seen. God is not a man as us.

Jesus had the same earthen corruptible body. It was used as a outward demonstration to do what the letter of the law could not do create eternal faith coming from God. . (Romans 8) No forgiveness after the corruptible temporal things of men seen . Forgivable by the works of the Spirit of faith .It works in the believer to both will and perform the good pleasure of our one master in heaven

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (unseen ) to faith:(unseen ) as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, (things seen the tempororal). even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,(eternal not seen) neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.Romans 1: 17-23

corruptible man = what the eyes see no faith needed..

uncorruptible God = the invisible things of God.the faith of Christs as his lbor of love neded . As alwaysour first love of knowing God is God must do the first works

I have rarely encountered someone so thoroughly resistant to sound instruction, and so in need of it.

 

[garee]

Then quit making your erroneous statements that others "walk by sight" just because we understand Scripture as it pertains to Jesus Christ being the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh).

You are showing that you do not know what it means to "walk by sight". Just as you seem to be confused as to what corrupted even is according to the scriptures .. It is an error that the literalist makes. Like. . . . Show me something after I see with my eyes see as a sign then I will believe. The Jews were noted for not walking by faith the unseen spiritual understanding. A way of ignoring the faith principle/law .

Because they having no faith walked after the corrupted flesh, the temporal and not after the incorruptible Spirit, the eternal. They made Jesus into a circus seal . Like. . . Show us something what the eyes see then we will believe. In other words who needs faith, the unseen eternal when a person has what they need right in front of their eyes . Being blind to the spiritual unseen

It was the result of the fall in the garden. The spirit of error father of lies said you will surely not die. .or don't trust in a God, that a person cannot see. The glory of the Lord departed the corruption had begun as the same wrath of God being revealed daily (a dead creation)..

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Even the spotless lambs are born into a body of death( corruption). There is not one element or rudiment of this world that was not corrupted when God purposely corrupted the whole creation.

Walking is understanding. . We do not understand in respect to the things seen the temporal the flesh . Jesus said it profits for nothing .The eternal things not seen is that which alone does profit.

The proper tools like below must be used in order to rightly divide and therefore walk by faith the eternal not seen. No glorying in the flesh the temporal seen. God is not a man as us.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Just because you do not believe my Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb without blemish and without spot (i.e. no corruption in His flesh) does not mean I or other fellow believers "walk by sight".

No one said the Lord is not referred to as a Lamb without blemish and without spot. But he is not a Lamb or a Man. He is the voice of the eternal Spirit of Truth

Again All flesh is corrupted. God corrupted the whole creation. He corrupted all the elements and molecules as rudiments under the judgement of the letter of His word

Jesus inherited his flesh and blood from His Mother. Was his mother flesh and blood corrupted

God is Spirit. God of Light, God is Truth .God is not flesh and blood. He did not pass down DNA pertaining the Son of man ,Jesus

 

[garee]

I have rarely encountered someone so thoroughly resistant to sound instruction, and so in need of it.

Whose sound instruction seeing we are warned of those who say we must have a man to teach us.

Only God not seen is the good teacher. The teaching of a literalist? What is it I am missing? My use of English? Shapeshifting? Walking by sight?

 

[garee]

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You can keep following your "unseen eternal".

Your "unseen eternal" is nothing but you having been carried about by a wind of doctrine by the sleight of men and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive.

As for me and my house, we shall follow the Lord Jesus Christ. He has clothed me with His righteousness and I am brought close to the Father as I abide in my Lord Jesus Christ.

You simply turn faith upside down inspired from us and not above as you keep following after the temporal, the things seen.

The kingdom does not come by observation .That's a Catholic doctrine they love to glory in the things seen (no faith) They gave Mary incorruptible flesh and blood also .

What does the commandment as a infallible instruction inform us to beleive according to that valuable 20/20 prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18) ?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Do we look after that seen, the temporal. . or the eternal not seen? No person can serve two masters. . which one will you serve? The flesh, the temporal. And the unseen Spirit, the eternal.

Hate one, love the other or love one hate the other. Again which one, the things of men seen or those of God not seen?

Great example below in respect to two masters. The things of God not seen or those of men seen.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, (the eternal not seen) but those that be of men. (the temporal seen) Mathew 16:22-23

Same antichrist motive of operation as in the garden of Eden. Spreads lies through the creature seen. Lying spirits have no form

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy because it was against what the eyes see, the temporal. . . the Son of man whose flesh profited for nothing, nada .

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:(the temporal what the eyes see.) but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (the eternal not seen) shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, (the temporal seen) it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, (the eternal not seen) it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[Dino246]

Whose sound instruction seeing we are warned of those who say we must have a man to teach us.

Only God not seen is the good teacher. The teaching of a literalist? What is it I am missing? My use of English? Shapeshifting? Walking by sight?

Fallacy: straw man argument. Silly and irrelevant... as usual.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You are showing that you do not know what it means to "walk by sight".

I know what it means according to Scripture.

That I do not turn to the right or to the left to follow you and your "eternal unseen" does not mean I do not know what it means to "walk by sight".

Show us something what the eyes see then we will believe. In other words who needs faith, the unseen eternal when a person has what they need right in front of their eyes . Being blind to the spiritual unseen

You do realize that I have never "seen" the Lord Jesus Christ? And yet I trust Him and believe Him.

You (who I also have not seen) I do not believe.

The glory of the Lord departed the corruption had begun

You do realize that if Adam and Eve had not sinned, there would be no corruption and the heavens and the earth would be as God had created (i.e. uncorrupted) to this very day?

Even the spotless lambs are born into a body of death( corruption).

The "spotless lambs" of the OT are merely shadows and types. The Lord Jesus Christ being without spot and without blemish was, is, and ever will be, the reality.

You who portrays himself as having "faith in the unseen eternal" appear to have no faith that the "unseen eternal" can beget for His only begotten Son a physical body with no corruption. What's up with that?

There is not one element or rudiment of this world that was not corrupted when God purposely corrupted the whole creation.

Excuse me? Lay the corruption where it belongs ... the sin of Adam.

God merely meted out the sentence resulting from Adam's transgression. God's judgment was and is righteous judgment.

The proper tools like below must be used in order to rightly divide and therefore walk by faith the eternal not seen. No glorying in the flesh the temporal seen. God is not a man as us.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Cor 4:18 has nothing to do with "glorying in the flesh the temporal seen". 2 Cor 4:18 warns us not to be anxious when we face light afflictions.

The context of this verse was explained to you in Post #408:

This verse is speaking of the light afflictions we face in this life, which can appear to us to be huge obstacles and which, according to Scripture, last but for a moment even though, to us, the moment may last years. We are to view our light afflictions in light of eternity and know in our hearts that God is working in us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory:​

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2 Corinthians 4:​

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14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.​

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15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.​

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16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.​

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17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;​

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18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.​

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Quit ripping this verse out of the context within which it sits in order to prop up a doctrine not contained in Scripture (i.e. that Jesus' flesh was corrupt).​

Again All flesh is corrupted. God corrupted the whole creation. He corrupted all the elements and molecules as rudiments under the judgement of the letter of His word

Adam corrupted the whole creation.

God merely meted out righteous judgment.

Jesus inherited his flesh and blood from His Mother.

You have been shown over and over again that Jesus only took part ... He did not fully partake:

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil

All descendants of Adam are partakers of flesh and blood ... we share fully in Adam's image and likeness (Gen 5:3).

Jesus only took part of the same ... He did not share fully. He only took part. The part He did not take part in was the transgression. He was wholly and completely without sin (Heb 4:15).


Instead of communing with your "eternal unseen", why don't you read Scripture so you can be sure you are following God rather than the wind of doctrine with which you have been deceived.

God is Spirit. God of Light, God is Truth .God is not flesh and blood. He did not pass down DNA pertaining the Son of man ,Jesus

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Holy ... not "corrupt" as you claim.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

You simply turn faith upside down inspired from us and not above as you keep following after the temporal, the things seen.

When rightly divided, 2 Cor 4:18 does not state what you claim.

In keeping the verse within its context, I do not "simply turn faith upside down inspired from us". I trust God Who will work for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory (2 Cor 4:17). That is the focus of 1 Cor 4:18 ... not your nebulous "eternal unseen" misinterpretation of Scripture.

What does the commandment as a infallible instruction inform us to beleive according to that valuable 20/20 prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18) ?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Do we look after that seen, the temporal. . or the eternal not seen? No person can serve two masters. . which one will you serve? The flesh, the temporal. And the unseen Spirit, the eternal.

Hate one, love the other or love one hate the other. Again which one, the things of men seen or those of God not seen?

You misconstrue 2 Cor 4:18 when you conflate its interpretation with what Jesus stated in Matt 6:24 and/or Luke 16:13.

In so doing, you miss the point in each verse.


The context of 2 Cor 4:18 tells us not to be discouraged when we are faced with our light afflictions which last but for a moment. Instead of focusing on the trial we find ourselves facing, focus on the far more and eternal weight of glory which is being worked in us.


The context of Matt 6:24 tells us not to lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust corrupt and where thieves break through and steal. Instead we are to lay up for ourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust corrupt and where thieves do not break through nor steal (Matt 6:19-20).


Luke 16:13 is a parable Jesus spoke when the pharisees derided Him because He ate with publicans and sinners (Luke 15:1-2). The pharisees loved to be seen as serving God when in truth they were covetous (Luke 16:14).



Instead of ripping a verse out of its context in order to support your dogma, try reading the verse within its context in order to understand what God would have you to understand. When we read the verse in its context, we then rightly divide the word of truth and that is "walking by faith".


But you would rather walk according to philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ (Col 2:8).

the Son of man whose flesh profited for nothing, nada .

Maybe for you Jesus' flesh profits "nothing, nada" because you do not "walk in faith" when it comes to what God reveals to us through His Word.

I have been profited by Jesus' flesh according to what God reveals through His Word. And the profit I have received not only in this life but also in that which is to come. Hallelujah!!!

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:(the temporal what the eyes see.) but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost (the eternal not seen) shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, (the temporal seen) it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, (the eternal not seen) it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

So now you're telling me that you can speak "a word against" Jesus and you'll be forgiven?

And that I have somehow spoken "against the Holy Ghost" and I will not be forgiven?


First of all, I don't even know if you're born again because of all the spiritized detritus you spew. If you are born again, you'll still be saved. However, all your wood, hay, stubble will be burned and you will suffer loss, but you will be saved (1 Cor 3:10-15).


Secondly, please provide the post submitted by me wherein I spoke "against the Holy Ghost". Thank you.

 

[Dino246]

Secondly, please provide the post submitted by me wherein I spoke "against the Holy Ghost". Thank you.

Good luck. Garee rarely responds to the entire list of issues. In my experience he has never responded to every challenge in a single post. He'll pick one or two, put up some bafflegab and an irrelevant verse or two, and consider your position refuted.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Good luck. Garee rarely responds to the entire list of issues. In my experience he has never responded to every challenge in a single post. He'll pick one or two, put up some bafflegab and an irrelevant verse or two, and consider your position refuted.

Yeah ... I understand that. hopefully the seeds planted in this thread bear fruit as God brings increase ...

 

[garee]

When rightly divided, 2 Cor 4:18 does not state what you claim.

In keeping the verse within its context, I do not "simply turn faith upside down inspired from us". I trust God Who will work for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory (2 Cor 4:17). That is the focus of 1 Cor 4:18 ... not your nebulous "eternal unseen" misinterpretation of Scripture.

You are saying the same thing that you call my nebulous "eternal unseen" misinterpretation of Scripture.

No such thing as holiness of the flesh as if it could profit for something other that a one time demonstration of the which did profits .The lamb of God who was already slain from the foundation . The demonstration is not the work. But a result of a promise that he would demonstrate .Again the work from the foundation. (6 days he was working) .Pouring out His unseen spirt on dead flesh .Not of or after the corrupted flesh and blood

The faith of God's work that works in us is not inspired of us. It inspired after the invisible things of God. Not after corruptible man, signified by the flesh of the Son of man as in. . No images….The glory of God that departed in the garden remains hidden .God is Spirit not a man as us.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, (the Son of man, Jesus ) and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Romans 1:22-23

God is not made in the likeness of man as the things seen the temporal .That's a pagan tradition. (No faith needed look and believe.)

The prescription for hearing him "not seen" is clear. You are still trying to make the temporal count for the eternal as if God was a man as us an there was a daysman, a fleshly infallible interpreter set between God not seen, and mankind seen, as some sort of holiness of corrupted flesh. No power is attributed to the flesh . The Son of man Jesus would never stand in the holy unseen place of God as master .The abomination of desolation

Two different seeds that do not become one creation .

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

No power after the flesh. We believe as seeing, not seeing is believing.

The corrupted flesh used to signify sin .(Jesus in His eternal Spirit not seen did not sin) the flesh what the eyse sees profits for nothing , nada, zip.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:Romans 1:3

The one time demonstration is over. Those who walked by sight hoping the flesh of Jesus could profit walked away in unbelief . No faith of God working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of our invisible God.
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What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John6:62-63

 

[garee]

You misconstrue 2 Cor 4:18 when you conflate its interpretation with what Jesus stated in Matt 6:24 and/or Luke 16:13.

In so doing, you miss the point in each verse.

Conflate or rightly divide. ?

The context of 2 Cor 4:18 tells us not to be discouraged when we are faced with our light afflictions which last but for a moment. Instead of focusing on the trial we find ourselves facing, focus on the far more and eternal weight of glory which is being worked in us.

The context instructs us how we can believe in a God not seen .And not after the temporal rudiments of this world what the eyes see

The context of Matt 6:24 tells us not to lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust corrupt and where thieves break through and steal. Instead we are to lay up for ourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust corrupt and where thieves do not break through nor steal (Matt 6:19-20).


Luke 16:13 is a parable Jesus spoke when the pharisees derided Him because He ate with publicans and sinners (Luke 15:1-2). The pharisees loved to be seen as serving God when in truth they were covetous (Luke 16:14).

I can agree with that but it has nothing to do with the subject matter .

Is God, God as a Spirit of Truth not made up of the rudiments of this world .or is he a man made up of the rudiments of this world. cant' serve two masters .the things of men seen and that of God not seen . Peter in Mathew 16: 22-23, the serial denier tried and failed . He was forgiven for his blasphemy as a warning to us not to look to the temporal

Instead of ripping a verse out of its context in order to support your dogma, try reading the verse within its context in order to understand what God would have you to understand. When we read the verse in its context, we then rightly divide the word of truth and that is "walking by faith".


But you would rather walk according to philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ (Col 2:8).

You are simply turning the things of God " eternal not seen" upside down . Remember I said we do not know him after the corrupted rudiments of this world .

It you that said we do know him after the temporal things seen. . atoms and molecules . I used the verse correctly. Those rudiments will disappear as the new kind comes in veiw.

What they will be is not revealed other than not after the corrupted rudiments . But a new kind of foundation .Glory, glory, glory As that which is now hidden . Corruption does not inherit incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption

Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new order. This is where none of the former things from this corrupted creation will be remembered or ever come to mind. . Now as under the Sun is the time period that we can do the works of loving family members .Not when our memory of the temporal things here under the Sun departs forever . Universal Alzheimers .

 

[garee]

Yeah ... I understand that. hopefully the seeds planted in this thread bear fruit as God brings increase ...

That's a great hope we all look to. . the right kind of seed planted from that spiritual seed not seen is where he causes the growth if there is any..

Corruptible seeds of the flesh what the eyes see, the temporal ?... Or in corruptible seeds of the Spirit not seen, the eternal?

Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When rightly divided, 2 Cor 4:18 does not state what you claim.

In keeping the verse within its context, I do not "simply turn faith upside down inspired from us". I trust God Who will work for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory (2 Cor 4:17). That is the focus of 1 Cor 4:18 ... not your nebulous "eternal unseen" misinterpretation of Scripture.

You are saying the same thing that you call my nebulous "eternal unseen" misinterpretation of Scripture.

I fixed what you submitted in Post #436 so we are able to see who said what about 2 Cor 4:18.

And to set the record straight, I am not saying the same thing as you.

You said in Post #430 "The proper tools like below must be used in order to rightly divide and therefore walk by faith the eternal not seen. No glorying in the flesh the temporal seen. God is not a man as us".


2 Cor 4:18 does not relate to "glorying in the flesh the temporal seen". As I pointed out, 2 Cor 4:18 relates to the trials we face in this life.

Who glories in their trials? No one. A person usually considers the trials of this present life as suffering … not glorying.

Those who "glory in the flesh" are those who brag about how great they are. In Phil 3, Paul talks about glorying in the flesh:

Philippians 3:

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.


Paul had much to glory in according to the flesh. But look what he says about his flesh:

7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

No such thing as holiness of the flesh as if it could profit for something other that a one time demonstration of the which did profits .The lamb of God who was already slain from the foundation . The demonstration is not the work. But a result of a promise that he would demonstrate .Again the work from the foundation. (6 days he was working) .Pouring out His unseen spirt on dead flesh .Not of or after the corrupted flesh and blood

Again, there was no "corrupted flesh and blood" in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I do not know how many times God has to tell you something before you will believe it. God tells us in His Word that Jesus was the "Holy One" (Luke 1:35) … that Jesus "knew no sin" (Heb 4:15) … that Jesus was "without blemish and without spot" (1 Peter 1:19).

God should only have to tell us once, but He tells us more than once … no corruption in Jesus.

Believe what Scripture tells us about the Lord Jesus Christ having no blemish, no spot, no sin. That is "walking by faith".

The faith of God's work that works in us is not inspired of us. It inspired after the invisible things of God. Not after corruptible man, signified by the flesh of the Son of man as in. .

Again, you have yet to provide one Scripture (chapter and verse) which states that Jesus had any corruption in Him.

All Scripture you have provided has been shown to be misinterpretation on your part because you refuse to let the verse sit within its context, you conflate verses, and spout your philosophy and vain deceit about the meaning of the verse.

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, (the Son of man, Jesus ) and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Romans 1:22-23

Just because I align my faith with what Scripture reveals concerning my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (i.e. no corruption in His flesh), does not mean I have changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image.

I confirm what Scripture tells me about Jesus … that He is without blemish and without spot … that He knew no sin … that He did not fully partake in the image/likeness of Adam (He only took part) … that He was, is, and ever will be the Holy One, the only begotten of the Father.

You deny what Scripture tells you about Jesus.

Again, believing Scripture is "walking by faith".

The prescription for hearing him "not seen" is clear.

The "prescription" for hearing Him is to read Scripture and believe it. Quit listening to those who have come in and befuddled you with their wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4:14).

You have fallen for their deception hook, line and sinker …

You are still trying to make the temporal count for the eternal as if God was a man as us an there was a daysman, a fleshly infallible interpreter set between God not seen, and mankind seen, as some sort of holiness of corrupted flesh. No power is attributed to the flesh . The Son of man Jesus would never stand in the holy unseen place of God as master .The abomination of desolation

I have gone over the records of the daysman and the Mediator.

The daysman is not the Mediator. Get over your misinterpretation of Scripture and learn the difference between the daysman of Job 9:33 (there is none) and the Mediator of 1 Tim 2:5 (there is One … the man Christ Jesus).

The corrupted flesh used to signify sin .(Jesus in His eternal Spirit not seen did not sin) the flesh what the eyse sees profits for nothing , nada, zip.

If what those present saw when they saw Jesus crucified, saw Jesus after He was resurrected, and saw Jesus ascend up into heaven profited for "nothing, nada, zip", then all of mankind is still awaiting redemption.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:Romans 1:3

And this verse has been explained to you in Post #367.

As far as the likeness of the flesh of Rom 8:3, I explained the meaning to you in Post #296:​

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In Rom 8:3, the word "likeness" is the Greek word homoíōma which means:​

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("resemblance").homoíōma does not require one element of a comparison to be derived from the other; it can be wholly separate from it. Rather, 3667 (homoíōma) refers to a basic analogy (resemblance), not an exact copy.​

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HELPS Word-studies (bold mine)​

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So, the likeness of sinful flesh Christ had was only a resemblance, not an exact copy. Again, in Heb 2:14 we read that Jesus only took part of that which the rest of the descendants of Adam share fully with Adam.​

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Conflate or rightly divide. ?

Conflate.


Conflate means to combine (things, such as two readings of a text) into a composite whole.

Synonyms for conflate – confound, confuse, mistake, mix (up).

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conflate


When you conflate 2 Cor 4:18 with what Jesus stated in Matt 6:24 and/or Luke 16:13, you confuse and mix up the meaning and you end up mistaken in your belief.

The context instructs us how we can believe in a God not seen .And not after the temporal rudiments of this world what the eyes see

2 Cor 4:18 tells us that because we look at the things which are not seen in our light afflictions which last but for a moment (even though we may suffer for many years), as we endure these light afflictions God is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory.

The context of Matt 6:24 tells us not to lay up for ourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust corrupt and where thieves break through and steal. Instead we are to lay up for ourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust corrupt and where thieves do not break through nor steal (Matt 6:19-20).

Luke 16:13 is a parable Jesus spoke when the pharisees derided Him because He ate with publicans and sinners (Luke 15:1-2). The pharisees loved to be seen as serving God when in truth they were covetous (Luke 16:14).

I can agree with that but it has nothing to do with the subject matter .

That is exactly the point I made in Post #433. You conflate 2 Cor 4:18 with Matt 6:24 and/or Luke 16:13 and miss the point of all three Scripture verses.

You are simply turning the things of God " eternal not seen" upside down .

Nope. I'm encouraging you to study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15).

Keeping verses of Scripture within the context in order to understand what God would have us understand so that we rightly divide the word of truth is "walking by faith".

That you rip verses from the context, conflate verses, and then explain the meaning according to your philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiment of the world and not after Christ is you walking according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience (Eph 2:2).

It you that said we do know him after the temporal things seen. . atoms and molecules .

Please provide the post submitted by me wherein I stated that we know the Lord Jesus Christ after the temporal things seen.

I used the verse correctly.

Nope. Gotta keep the verse within the context in order to use "the verse correctly".