Nephelim

[Mem]

I allow scripture to be honest. Joshua had God on his side.

While the latter statement is irrefutable, the former is debatable unless we all follow, submit and then adhere to your particular line of reasoning, even if it is erroneous.

 

[CS1]

Scripture defines itself. Sons of God are creatures of God that were sinless in their creation. The only way we can become sinless sons of God is through Jesus. There were no sons of God before the cross, only Adam because Adam was created sinless.

I disagree angels transgressed against God. That's why he put them in a pit, And the Spirit of Christ has always been in the Eternal Godhead. You are not staying in the context of the time the word of God is providing. Abraham was the righteousness of God because of his obedience the Bible says he was called out before he was even circumcised. Guess you think they are in hell because Noah and Abraham died before the death, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus?


no sir,

 

[CS1]

But none of these knew Jesus Christ. Is there another way?

They knew God God spoke to them hello

 

[Dino246]

Scripture defines itself. Sons of God are creatures of God that were sinless in their creation. The only way we can become sinless sons of God is through Jesus. There were no sons of God before the cross, only Adam, because Adam was created sinless.

Unless your claim is specifically that there were no human sons of God (other than Adam) prior to the cross, you are contradicting Scripture.

 

[John146]

I disagree angels transgressed against God. That's why he put them in a pit, And the Spirit of Christ has always been in the Eternal Godhead. You are not staying in the context of the time the word of God is providing. Abraham was the righteousness of God because of his obedience the Bible says he was called out before he was even circumcised. Guess you think they are in hell because Noah and Abraham died before the death, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus?


no sir,

OT saints that died in faith were kept safe in Abraham’s bosom until they were set free by the Lord after his resurrection.

 

[John146]

Unless your claim is specifically that there were no human sons of God (other than Adam) prior to the cross, you are contradicting Scripture.

A claim without scripture….

 

[John146]

Unless your claim is specifically that there were no human sons of God (other than Adam) prior to the cross, you are contradicting Scripture.

Thanks for posting scripture along with that thumbs down.

 

[Evmur]

The Holy Spirit says the "sons of Gods" of Genesis 6 are angels = the Holy Spirit always speaks Truth.

Strong's Lexicon
the sons
בְנֵי־ (ḇə·nê-)
Noun - masculine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 1121: 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group 1a) son, male child 1b) grandson 1c) children (pl. - male and female) 1d) youth, young men (pl.) 1e) young (of animals) 1f) sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for un- righteous men] or sons of God [for angels] 1g) people (of a nation) (pl.) 1h) of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (fig.) 1i) a member of a guild, order, class

of God
הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ (hā·’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

saw that
וַיִּרְא֤וּ (way·yir·’ū)
Conjunctive waw | Verb - Qal - Consecutive imperfect - third person masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 7200: 1) to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to see 1a2) to see, perceive 1a3) to see, have vision 1a4) to look at, see, regard, look after, see after, learn about, observe, watch, look upon, look out, find out 1a5) to see, observe, consider, look at, give attention to, discern, distinguish 1a6) to look at, gaze at 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to appear, present oneself 1b2) to be seen 1b3) to be visible 1c) (Pual) to be seen 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to see, show 1d2) to cause to look intently at, behold, cause to gaze at 1e) (Hophal) 1e1) to be caused to see, be shown 1e2) to be exhibited to 1f) (Hithpael) to look at each other, face

the daughters
בְּנ֣וֹת (bə·nō·wṯ)
Noun - feminine plural construct
Strong's Hebrew 1323: n f 1) daughter 1a) daughter, girl, adopted daughter, daughter-in-law, sister, granddaughters, female child, cousin 1a1) as polite address n pr f 1a2) as designation of women of a particular place 2) young women, women 1a3) as personification 1a4) daughter-villages 1a5) description of character

of men
הָֽאָדָ֔ם (hā·’ā·ḏām)
Article | Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 120: 1) man, mankind 1a) man, human being 1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT) 1c) Adam, first man 1d) city in Jordan valley


You were taught a lie by man = reject the lie and believe the Truth = it will set your mind free = always does.

To what angel has God ever said "thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee"? they are messengers.

It doesn't say all the angels sang for joy people only assume it means angels. It is a difficult one I admit but nevertheless to say they are angels is an assumption.

Hebrews is scripture and not an assumption, Hebrews says God has never called an angel His son.

Sons are begotten, angels are created.

 

[VARob]

There were no sons of God before the cross, only Adam, because Adam was created sinless.

Unless your claim is specifically that there were no human sons of God (other than Adam) prior to the cross, you are contradicting Scripture.

A claim without scripture….

Job 38:
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[CS1]

OT saints that died in faith were kept safe in Abraham’s bosom until they were set free by the Lord after his resurrection.

I agree, and we are saved by Grace through faith in the Lord alone, But Abraham was right with God because of Faith in God's obedience is doing what God said to do; that is faith.
God called Abram to leave his land. God called Abraham to offer up his only son He was obedient God made a Pack with him. God fully intended to keep it, and He has.

 

[Dino246]

A claim without scripture….

I'm surprised you need help with your homework...

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[John146]

I agree, and we are saved by Grace through faith in the Lord alone, But Abraham was right with God because of Faith in God's obedience is doing what God said to do; that is faith.
God called Abram to leave his land. God called Abraham to offer up his only son He was obedient God made a Pack with him. God fully intended to keep it, and He has.

Yes, but at the time, Abraham was not a son of God. If he were, he would have been welcomed by the Father into heaven upon death as a son of God.

 

[John146]

I'm surprised you need help with your homework...

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Yep, these sons of God are angels, created beings. They were there at the creation singing and shouting for joy.

 

[Dino246]

Yep, these sons of God are angels, created beings. They were there at the creation singing and shouting for joy.

You have just contradicted yourself.

 

[CS1]

Yes, but at the time, Abraham was not a son of God. If he were, he would have been welcomed by the Father into heaven upon death as a son of God.

the word son comes from the Father. There are sons of God, and there are prodigal sons.


If Abraham, who was a Prophet, called out one of God and Knew God spoke with God was not a son of God, what was he? If he is the people of God, what are they? Did not God call them His children and the apple of his eye? An adopted child is seen as a natural born Child with everything to them as if they were born. Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God, but we are all adopted children of God 1. by way of Faith and obedience or through the Blood of Jesus.

 

[John146]

You have just contradicted yourself.

nope, your heard wrong. Read again...

 

[Dino246]

nope, your heard wrong. Read again...

You should avoid being dogmatic. If comes back to bite you repeatedly. Here are your earlier words, from post 438:

"There were no sons of God before the cross, only Adam, because Adam was created sinless."

The Scriptures I posted show clearly that your assertion is wrong.

 

[John146]

You should avoid being dogmatic. If comes back to bite you repeatedly. Here are your earlier words, from post 438:

"There were no sons of God before the cross, only Adam, because Adam was created sinless."

The Scriptures I posted show clearly that your assertion is wrong.

There were no men that were sons of God, only Adam.

 

[Dino246]

There were no men that were sons of God, only Adam.

Is that an admission that you were wrong? If so, you could have saved face by simply clarifying when I originally challenged you, instead of demanding scriptural support for my challenge. Your arrogance is your undoing.

 

[John146]

Is that an admission that you were wrong? If so, you could have saved face by simply clarifying when I originally challenged you, instead of demanding scriptural support for my challenge. Your arrogance is your undoing.

Yes, although I thought it was obvious the discussion was about men not angels.