None of this names any other apostle there were hundreds of people spreading Gods word Paul was the apostle the others are never named on one hand your telling me not to make any assumptions yet look what you’ve done
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
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9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.”
That doesn’t call Apollos an apostle
I should have led off with Barnabas. If you can accept that and get away from this idea that 'apostle' means, exclusively in all contexts, one of the 12, then you may be able to take this passage at face value. But, I admit, of the passages I shared, this one is the least explicit. The most straightforward reading, if one doesn't have this kind of prejudice about what 'apostles' can mean, is that he is referring to himself and Apollos.
Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy
1 Thessalonians 1:1
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
that doesn’t call any of them apostles
1 Thessalonians 2:6
6 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.
above this doesn’t refer to any other apostles he’s referring to himself and the other eleven .
Hold on a second. Think about what you are saying. Have you read Acts? If any of those survivng of the twelve apostles were with Paul were in Thessalonika, that would be a glaring omission from Acts 17. It does not fit the narrative in Acts very well.
When do you think the eleven went to Thessalonika?
Why don't you sit down and read a couple of chapters of I Thessalonians for your devotional reading today. Notice the use of the word 'we.'
And again, if you will notice in the first verse of the epistle, that I quoted above, the epistle was written by three men, Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy.
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
See those three names in verse one? And they write the epistle referring to themselves as 'we' throughout. Why would 'we' not refer to all of them in chapter 2 verse 6 about 'the apostles of Christ.'
Paul's other traveling companion, Barnabas, and Paul are called 'apostles' in Acts also. In Barnabas' case, we can see where he was sent. The Bible does not say whether he had some pre-Acts 13 calling like Paul did. But we do know that the Spirit spoke in Acts 13 and he was sent out.
The word translated 'apostle' means 'sent one.' In Matthew 9, Jesus says to pray the Lord of the harvest to send forth laborers into His harvest. He prays all night, designates 12 apostles, then he
sends them out with instructions to heal, cast out devils, and preach. In another gospel, they are first called 'apostles' after they get back from this journey on which they were sent. Compare this to Acts 13 where the Spirit speaks and
sends out Paul and Barnabas to do a work. They preach, plant churches, and appoint elders.
Timothy also had a gift in him, given through prophecy, with the laying on of hands of the elders. The passage does not say what the gift was, whether this was apostleship similar to the Paul and Barnabas calling in Acts 13, or something else.
this verse however is curious to me out of everything you posted this one I will look into
“Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,”
Acts 14:14 KJV
Consider this passage also:
7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:
“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)
11 And He Himself gave some
to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
Btw, some would translate the Old Testament to say he received gifts from men. But lǝ in Hebrew could be translated from, for, or to. The passage is apparently saying He receive gifts for men. So the implication in Paul's dynamic translation is he gave gifts to men.
What kind of gifts did he give AFTER he ascended? Let us look at verse 11 for at least some of them. Here, we see 'apostles' is the first on the list. If you will notice in the gospels, the twelve were appointed __before__ the ascension. But after the ascension, others were sent as apostles. Paul is one of those. Barnabas is another.
that’s the only verse of all you have there to suggest that barnabus is an apostle
Acts 14:4 refers to both Paul and Barnabas as apostles, also.
Your absolutely wrong about casting lord everything in the New Testament is accomplished by Jesus Christ his decision and calling casting lots is not part of the kingdom .
I'm not comfortable with the idea of casting lots, either. But apparently Joshua felt it was an appropriate method for determining who sinned regarding the devoted items in Jericho. After they stoned Achan, Israel did not lose a bunch of battles because Joshua cast lots. And Proverbs says the lot falls in the lab but it's every decision is from the LORD. So the apostles had reason not to think it was forbidden.
peter and all the church is built upon receiving the Holy Spirit he chose the outlets and Paul was the only other man ever to be chosen with the other eleven by Christ himself
You just read and acknowledged Acts calls Barnabas an apostle. I also did not mention Romans 16 about Andronichus and Junia, who are of note among the apostles (since there is some ambiguity in the wording there) or the fact that in Acts, Paul wrote that he saw none of the apostles besides James the Lord's brother.
Acts first calls Paul and Barnabas 'apostles' after they are sent forth by the Spirit. Paul had a back story of meeting Christ and being sent to the Gentiles. Barnabas does not in Acts.
The Bible never specifically defines 'apostles'. The word means 'sent ones.' it seems to me that you have latched on a couple of features of Paul and the 12's calling-- appointed personally through Christ, learned doctrine directly from Christ, etc.' and created a definition of apostle out of these features. But your definition does not take into account all the New Testament information. It excludes Barnabas (etc.) There is no backstory in the Bible about Barnabas going around with the twelve before the ascension and hearing Jesus then and/or having an encounter with Jesus and learning doctrine from him. The Bible does not teach that these are key elements of being an apostle.
The key element of being an apostle is being sent. The twelve were sent out to preach in Matthew 10 and parallel gospel accounts. It is in Matthew 10 that they are designated 'sent ones' or 'apostles' when they are sent out to preach. Paul and Barnabas are 'sent out' in Acts 13. After this, they care called 'sent ones'-- or 'apostles'-- in Acts 13.
Peter mentioned other criteria for being a member of the twelve in Acts 1. That is a subset of the larger category of 'apostles'. Paul's words exclude him from that group in I Corinthians 15, though, as a man who had labored greatly through the grace given to him,, he did not consider himself to be behind even the chiefest apostles
only those twelve casting lots is what separates Matthias out . Paul on the other hand receive the exact same calling and appointment by Jesus in person.
No he did not. When Jesus sent out the twelve, he said not to go but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Paul's call in Acts is not the exact same as the sending passage in Matthew 28.
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