Name It and Claim It

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Budman said:
You know, it's so odd when they claim if people sow a financial "seed" into their ministry, they will get a huge "harvest" (return) from the Lord, yet those "pastors" don't give all of their money to other ministries to gain an even greater financial windfall. :ROFL:
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That is true, and I agree, they should do the same, if that is what they teach.
If you believe it is a truth of God's word, DO THE SAME.
AMEN.
 
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AllenW said:
Why is wealth a big part in the name it and claim it crowd.
Jesus had nothing.
Paul had nothing.
Kenneth Copeland has billions.
Tell us know1, how much riches do you have?
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I can tell you, I don't ask ANYONE for money.
 
Our weekly Monday prayer group often sees marvelous, even miraculous answers to our prayers. But we are forced to face the problem of spiritual presumption. So we often begin by placing the needs of supplicants in God's loving hands to deal with as He wills. Then we make it clear that a divine NO means either that the requesting healing was not in God's will or that we have failed to meet God's conditions for effective prayer (e.g by lack of faith, a lax devotional life, unconfessed sin, etc.). We discuss and worry about the danger of blaming God for occasional lack of results when we ourselves might be part of the problem.

Here is the chilling spiritual reality. There is clearly a right and a wrong way to pray. If we pray the wrong way or not at all, people suffer or die who should be healed or at least alive, if faith-empowered prayer were uttered. The only solution is to persevere in faithful attendance of a prayer group and to humble ourselves in the hope of insight into the defects in our prayer life.
 
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know1 said:
Just because someone says the sinner's prayer, doesn't mean it's God's will to save them. You don't know if it is or isn't.
We already know God doesn't save everyone, even though it is His will, and Jesus also stated, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;"

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life, so long as it is the will of God.
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Not only is it God's will but also His desire that all will be saved. It is already stated as such in the bible. If someone is contrite in saying the sinner's prayer it will certainly be God's will and desire for that person to have eternal life. Actually, we don't know at all that God does not in fact save everyone from eternal damnation. John 3:16 sums it up nicely in regards to salvation.
 
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BunnyUnderTheTable said:
God hurts those he loves because he loves them, it's not good to be rich that means he doesn't love you as much sorry
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God may discipline those that He loves, and it may hurt at the time, but that is not the same as saying that God hurts those that He loves because H loves them.
 
know1 said:
This is exactly what the doubter do to me all the time.
They won't believe what is written UNTIL they see it with their own eyes.
But even then, after seeing Jesus raised from the dead standing before them, MANY DOUBTED.
I honestly don't know how they can justify themselves, seeing "the just shall live by faith".
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I suppose " the doubter" would not Doubt, if that what you claim would be True.
You are simply Take scripture out of context, ore text which is only given to Israel, ore the disciples und Take it for the Church today. And wondering why this not works.
I believe that the Lord fulfills all His promises. But not such which we told him to hold.
 
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BunnyUnderTheTable said:
God hurts those he loves because he loves them, it's not good to be rich that means he doesn't love you as much sorry
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Are you serious about your post?
It's not good to be rich and God doesn't love us as much as others?
What about Abraham?
What about Jesus?
Wealth is not bad, having wealth doesn't make you bad, and neither does God love a poor person over the wealthy.
It is the LOVE of money or wealth that is bad or makes one evil.
I know some poor people like that.
If you put God first, and don't make an idol of it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having wealth.
And God doesn't hurt those He loves, He chastises His children He loves WHEN they do wrong.
 
wolfwint said:
I suppose " the doubter" would not Doubt, if that what you claim would be True.
You are simply Take scripture out of context, ore text which is only given to Israel, ore the disciples und Take it for the Church today. And wondering why this not works.
I believe that the Lord fulfills all His promises. But not such which we told him to hold.
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Please show me what scripture I used out of context.
I don't' do those things.
My doctrines, theologies, beliefs, and faith is based solely on my understanding of the truth of God's word.
So please, by all means, show me any scripture where I changed its meaning in any way.
 
our advice, just 'get over it', and let yourself grieve' and then just let it goooooo!!!!!!!!
really, grief is perfectly natural, just like heart-ache' and depression, (feel it, let it take it's place',
and then precious ones, let it go and grow from the experience!!! - hugs...
 
Knowthecause.com is truth and wisdom that comes from God. You can call it this generations dietary laws from God. You eat unclean foods you're going to get sick that's what it means to be unclean. You are what you eat. Not everyone will be healed in their lives like Paul had the thorn for his whole life just for the church's sake.
 
Budman said:
Why are you spending so much time on this site and not out raising the dead, or stopping a tornado?
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Do you mean the two days a month, kind of time I spend on CC?
I don't call that much time.
I find it interesting that you don't like people of faith, and I don't like unbelievers.
I guess that makes us alike in one respect and the opposite in another.
 
Know1: "I don't like unbelievers.'
Jesus teaches us to love even our enemies and most unbelievers are anything but our enemies. So what right do you have to even consider yourself a Christian?
 
AllenW said:
One thing that really bothers me is when a Christian comes up to me and says, "you haven't been healed because you lack faith".
Boy, does that get me.
After they say it they put a pert, smug smile on their face because they feel no pain and you do.
You see, we have to claim our health and wealth and everything else because God wants us to have it all in this lifetime.

There are so many holes in this belief that I no longer know where to begin.
All I can say is that God is not a field of science for us to master.
Every time we think we know it all, we find that we really don't know it all.

I was once on the other side of this.
I saw too many preachers get rich and too many people stay sick.

Today we have more name it and claim it preachers (churches by many different names) than we ever had before.
Is there really a "name it and claim it" movement anywhere that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
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No its another silly slogan dreamed up by false preachers to get people going to their false churches.
 
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