My take on water baptism...

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oyster67 said:
There is only one Way, one Truth, one Baptism, and One Gospel.

Ephesians
4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Good News is Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not a subjective thing where everybody gets to pick their own favorite flavor.
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What good news was preached to Abraham according to scripture? Did God told him about Jesus dying on the cross for him?
 
fredoheaven said:
O we should never forget before Acts 8:1 there is Acts 1:8 that says "to the uttermost part of the earth". The proclamation of the gospel and the entire GC is to be obeyed by the apostles and the church as a whole.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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But you do agree that there is a certain order to follow as stated in Luke and acts right?

They have to begin in Jerusalem before they can reach the other nations
 
Guojing said:
If you truly believe in that, have the confidence to state that you believed water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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I have already stated ONLY SAVED people got baptized in water in the early church in the book of Acts. But NO ONE taught that because they were already saved that baptism in water was optional. And if they did not have that kind of mindset neither should we. Do what Jesus said and baptize all nations. Jesus is coming back soon and happy is the one found doing this.

It is very important to remember that Jesus told them to go into all the world and Baptize all nations... but then he said WAIT in the city of Jerusalem until they were endued with power from on high to be a witness to the uttermost part of the earth.
This means as clear as can be.. that the empowering of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost was for the purpose of carrying out the mission of going and baptizing all nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

If one casts off the mission of Baptizing in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and emphasizes the Pentecostal Baptism of the Holy Spirit as recorded on the day of Pentecost as a replacement they are completely misinterpreting the purpose of the Pentecostal Baptism of the Holy Spirit which was for power to carry out the great Commission to BAPTIZE ALL NATIONS in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is so simple a 5th grader could understand it.
 
Scribe said:
I have already stated ONLY SAVED people got baptized in water in the early church in the book of Acts. But NO ONE taught that because they were already saved that baptism in water was optional. And if they did not have that kind of mindset neither should we. Do what Jesus said and baptize all nations. Jesus is coming back soon and happy is the one found doing this.

It is very important to remember that Jesus told them to go into all the world and Baptize all nations... but then he said WAIT in the city of Jerusalem until they were endued with power from on high to be a witness to the uttermost part of the earth.
This means as clear as can be.. that the empowering of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost was for the purpose of carrying out the mission of going and baptizing all nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

If one casts off the mission of Baptizing in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and emphasizes the Pentecostal Baptism of the Holy Spirit as recorded on the day of Pentecost as a replacement they are completely misinterpreting the purpose of the Pentecostal Baptism of the Holy Spirit which was for power to carry out the great Commission to BAPTIZE ALL NATIONS in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is so simple a 5th grader could understand it.
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So that is the same as saying you believe water baptism is necessary for salvation, correct?
 
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posthuman said:
which part of Genesis 15:8-18 do you not understand?
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a smoking firepot and burning lamp. Abraham not walking through it himself, but in a deep sleep. only able to try to drive away birds until he falls unconscious. of the sacrifice of the covenant made there: two birds undivided. go study the ceremony for a cleansed leper - a rite of the Law which never had occasion to be performed, even once, until Christ's advent, into His temple come, suddenly, when it had necessity a thousand times. two undivided birds. leprosy: certain death from which only God can deliver.

posthuman said:
that God Himself will save and deliver the one whose trust is in Him.
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and that not of yourselves; not of works, lest any man should boast - by Him who calls; a Word fitly spoken.
 
speaking of salvation from leprosy -- one bird must be killed in a vessel over running water ((Leviticus 14:4-8))

@PeterJen_ @Peterlag have you sorted out the meaning of water in the scripture yet, btw? ;)
 
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posthuman said:
that God Himself will save and deliver the one whose trust is in Him.

have you met Jesus. His name is literally "Jah is Savlation"

lol bbq?
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there are various good news throughout genesis for him

Without trying to read into the scripture, The verse that we love to quote genesis 15:6 is the good news that Abraham will have numerous descendants as the stars in the sky.

To someone who is barren, that is good news, or gospel, to him correct?
 
Guojing said:
But you do agree that there is a certain order to follow as stated in Luke and acts right?

They have to begin in Jerusalem before they can reach the other nations
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John 4.

Christ directly reveals Himself as the Messiah to a gentile.

why?
 
posthuman said:
which part of Genesis 15:8-18 do you not understand?
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Guojing said:
there are various good news throughout genesis for him

Without trying to read into the scripture, The verse that we love to quote genesis 15:6 is the good news that Abraham will have numerous descendants as the stars in the sky.

To someone who is barren, that is good news, or gospel, to him correct?
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o ok so you basically don't understand any of it?
 
posthuman said:
o ok so you basically don't understand any of it?
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I am asking what saith the scripture?

It’s very easy for us now to say that Abraham must have known it was about Christ

But how did he understand the good news then?
 
Guojing said:
But you do agree that there is a certain order to follow as stated in Luke and acts right?

They have to begin in Jerusalem before they can reach the other nations
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The command is to begin both preaching the gospel at Jerusalem, and in Samaria, unto wherever they are according to the leading of the Holy Spirit.
 
posthuman said:
speaking of salvation from leprosy -- one bird must be killed in a vessel over running water ((Leviticus 14:4-8))

@PeterJen_ @Peterlag have you sorted out the meaning of water in the scripture yet, btw? ;)
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Was that bird killed over running water trying to land on Noah's Ark?
 
Blain said:
This is what was posted
Water baptism is not a commandment. Actually Jesus explains it simply in Acts1:5...
John baptized with water, BUT YOU will be baptized in holy spirit. The (but) implies John did it this way, BUT you will be baptized this way. To be born again is to confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead (Romans 10:9,10) Baptism is equated to receiving holy spirit within, it is trusting with the heart. The proof over and over again in the book of Acts is shown. When they were baptized, they manifested holy spirit by speaking in tongues. You don't see much of that in the church today.
Now it isd possible that I am the one who misunderstood but from what you quoted from him it seems he also believes that water baptism ins't what saves however from what I gather there isn't anything in this that says it is not biblical either
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Of course it's biblical. It's biblical for those who lived before the resurrection of Christ.
 
Blain said:
I asked what you thought Joseph was saying when you quoted him in your own words, read what he said carefully because I think you are misunderstanding it
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No he's saying the same thing I have been saying. Water went out when Christ came in.
 
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