My take on water baptism...
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show me in the epistles where any Apostle taught against water baptism?
in fact, show me where anywhere in scripture at all being cleansed with water is ever spoken of unfavorably?
thus is your so called "proof" proven to be no proof at all.
we are not only from hindsight knowing that scripture is the testimony of & about the person and work of God, that He is the Saviour of those who believe Him.
not one word of scripture was written without that being presently known.
i do not think you know what the actual valid gospel is, Guojing. i think that in your confusion of infinite alternate gospels, you cannot find it. that is why you should believe Jesus when He says, these things are written of Me - He is the door, and also the ladder. you can neither enter nor ascend except through Him.
Acts 2:38, Peter commands “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ.” In Acts 8:16, Peter and John “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” In Acts 10:48, Peter “commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” In Romans 6:3, it declares “that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ.”
i don't see the part that says "Peter commanded them, 'do not be immersed in water!'"
in Acts 10:47 they are already baptized by the Holy Spirit and Peter explicitly indicates that because of that they should be also baptized in H2O
thus you have demonstrated that 'be baptized in the name of the Lord' is independent of being baptized by the Spirit.
i don't see the part that says "Peter commanded them, 'do not be immersed in water!'"
Command like it to say or instruct. "Then Peter said unto them..."
yes? did he say, "do not be immersed in H2O" ?
no, Peter. the apostle did not say that.
you believe absence of evidence is evidence of absence, don't you?
yes -- you do. that is in fact the entire sum of your premise.
well. there you go.
only remaining question is i how does a person simultaneously be water baptized and not be water baptized?
it's not explicitly stated after Acts 10 and it's never explicitly said not to, and @Peterlag's logic dictates that means both to be baptized and to not be baptized are implicitly commanded.
i guess we're supposed to just perpetually tread water in the name of the Lord . . ?
imagine we're gonna need the "Life Vest" ♥
it's not explicitly stated after Acts 10 and it's never explicitly said not to, and @Peterlag's logic dictates that means both to be baptized and to not be baptized are implicitly commanded.
i guess we're supposed to just perpetually tread water in the name of the Lord . . ?
imagine we're gonna need the "Life Vest" ♥
Gospel means good news.
Our gospel now is about the cross Of Christ
The gospel preached to Abraham was not about the cross of Christ.
It’s all there in genesis 15
Genesis 15 is about Christ. Christ said so.
whether you do not believe Him or simply do not understand Him doesn't make it not so.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham, and the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
(Galatians 3:8)
let God be true and every man a liar. (Galatians 3:8)
Galatians 3:8 says "the gospel" singular. not "a gospel" -- the gospel -- and the context is trusting God. Abram is told that His children will inherit the land, and Abraham, believing God, asks how will he know that he will inherit the land? why do you suppose faithful Abram changes that from his children possessing it to himself possessing it?
the hidden flame with its smoke and the revealed flame passing between the three 3-year-old divided creatures and the two undivided birds, while Abram is in deep darkness and horror, are the proof God gives him for his question. what is his question? how will he know that he will live even while buried with his fathers, possessing the inheritance. he's asking about eternal life, and eternal life is to know the Father & the Son He sent -- the Son hidden in flesh, the Son who baptizes with Spirit and fire.
there is only one gospel, and scripture tells us that anyone who preaches "another" should be considered as accursed.
God preached "the gospel" to Abram.
i pity the accursed. i do not pity God, but stand in awe of Him
i never said Abram knew all the details of the crucifixion and resurrection.
for several years i have been consistently telling you that seeing and understanding all details of the good news salvation is not the requirement for whether "the gospel" singular has been heard and proclaimed.
you say 'progressive revelation' -- but that the person and nature of God has been progressively revealed to mankind over time does not mean that every time a new facet of the knowledge of Him is revealed that there is another god. this is how you reason and preach, however, with your 'multiple gospels' nonsense.
if progressive revelation meant what you teach it means, then it makes the Bible a book of polytheism where all its many gods are liars, just as you would make Christ a liar when He says there is no other way and no other Truth but Him.
But the cross is the gospel that Paul was referring to in Galatians 3
You cannot have your cake and eat it. If you want to insist that The gospel is singular, it must refer to the cross
To me, gospel means good news. God released various good news to mankind throughout his dealings with them.
As Long as man during each time believe in that specific good news God tells them, he considered that as faith in him.
But as Paul reminded us in Galatians 3, which you love to wave at me, the only gospel that saves now is about the cross
How do we show faith in him now? Believe in 1 cor 15:1-4
That is what progressive revelations means to me
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Matthew 28:19 is the scripture that is most often used.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
And there is no one disputing it's original authority. So your reference to Mark is irrelevant. But you probably already knew that.
Acts 2:38, Peter commands “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ.” In Acts 8:16, Peter and John “baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” In Acts 10:48, Peter “commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.” In Romans 6:3, it declares “that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ.” No Water.