My Best Explanation for the Trinity. Thoughts?

[Nehemiah6]

What does the name Lazarus mean?

Although this is off topic, Lazarus (Greek Lazaros) is derived from the Hebrew name Eleazar, which means "God has helped".

 

[Noose]

Sorry but 3 is not 1 and 1 can not be 3- you are trying to explain a square circle, something you'll fail no matter how many times you try.

Jesus by Himself, walking these streets of Jerusalem was already One person/ One spirit or mind/ One God, adding anything to Him will make them two God/two minds/two persons.

If the Father and the Holy spirit are distinct persons, how is it that ALL deity dwells in Jesus?

 

[Nehemiah6]

If the Father and the Holy spirit are distinct persons, how is it that ALL deity dwells in Jesus?

You should know by now that you are dealing with the Mystery of God.

Therefore you should not be asking such questions, but simply believing the Word of God.

It is precisely because of human *reasoning* and humanistic thinking that all the cults have all gone astray. Mere mortals trying to fathom God.

As to your reference, it is stated that in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead BODILY. Whereas the Father and the Holy Spirit are Spirit.

 

[JaumeJ]

Isaiah defines the sef-existence of God 9:6...…….the Word of the Lord.

 

[JaumeJ]

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Isa 9:8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

 

[iamsoandso]

You should know by now that you are dealing with the Mystery of God.

Therefore you should not be asking such questions, but simply believing the Word of God.

It is precisely because of human *reasoning* and humanistic thinking that all the cults have all gone astray. Mere mortals trying to fathom God.

As to your reference, it is stated that in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead BODILY. Whereas the Father and the Holy Spirit are Spirit.

lol, "cults" I like that,,,which cults say this and which that,that we might set them to the left and the right in this if we recon them thus?

 

[Noose]

You should know by now that you are dealing with the Mystery of God.

Therefore you should not be asking such questions, but simply believing the Word of God.

It is precisely because of human *reasoning* and humanistic thinking that all the cults have all gone astray. Mere mortals trying to fathom God.

As to your reference, it is stated that in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead BODILY. Whereas the Father and the Holy Spirit are Spirit.

But God has set out to explain the mysteriousness to us so that we being the sons should know our Father (God). If we continue with this idea that God is a mystery then we are not different from the world.

It is the understanding of men that fail not the mysteriousness of God - whether men try out 3 in 1 or 1 in 3 or oneness or any number, they all fail. God can not be described by any number and oneness of God has nothing to do with quantity.

 

[jb]

But Revelation 3:14 says Jesus is created and at John 14 it says Jesus is the Father and also at Isaiah 9:6.

It certainly does NOT say that, you are teaching destructive heresy (Arianism) by saying that Jesus was created!

"The beginning..." is "hee archee" and means "The Beginner or Author", ie The Creator!

God The Word is the Great Creator, Who has eternal pre-existence!

 

[Miri]

This is the best description of the trinity I have come across.
Watch it to the end it’s brilliant.

 

[PS]

Names and Titles of the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is known by many names and titles, most of
which denote some function or aspect of His ministry.

Author of Scripture: (2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16) The Bible is inspired, literally “God-breathed,” by the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity. The Spirit moved the authors of all 66 books to record exactly what He breathed into their hearts and minds. As a ship is moved through the water by wind in its sails, so the biblical writers were borne along by the Spirit’s impulse.

Comforter / Counselor / Advocate: (Isaiah 11:2; John 14:16; 15:26; 16:7) All three words are translations of the Greek parakletos, from which we get “Paraclete,” another name for the Spirit. When Jesus went away, His disciples were greatly distressed because they had lost His comforting presence. But He promised to send the Spirit to comfort, console, and guide those who belong to Christ. The Spirit also “bears witness” with our spirits that we belong to Him and thereby assures us of salvation.

Convicter of Sin: (John 16:7-11) The Spirit applies the truths of God to men’s own minds in order to convince them by fair and sufficient arguments that they are sinners. He does this through the conviction in our hearts that we are not worthy to stand before a holy God, that we need His righteousness, and that judgment is certain and will come to all men one day. Those who deny these truths rebel against the conviction of the Spirit.

Deposit / Seal / Earnest: (2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14) The Holy Spirit is God’s seal on His people, His claim on us as His very own. The gift of the Spirit to believers is a down payment on our heavenly inheritance, which Christ has promised us and secured for us at the cross. It is because the Spirit has sealed us that we are assured of our salvation. No one can break the seal of God.

Guide: (John 16:13) Just as the Spirit guided the writers of Scripture to record truth, so does He promise to guide believers to know and understand that truth. God’s truth is “foolishness” to the world, because it is “spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). Those who belong to Christ have the indwelling Spirit who guides us into all we need to know in regard to spiritual matters. Those who do not belong to Christ have no “interpreter” to guide them to know and understand God’s Word.

Indweller of Believers: (Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 2:21-22; 1 Corinthians 6:19) The Holy Spirit resides in the hearts of God’s people, and that indwelling is the distinguishing characteristic of the regenerated person. From within believers, He directs, guides, comforts, and influences us, as well as producing in us the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). He provides the intimate connection between God and His children. All true believers in Christ have the Spirit residing in their hearts.

Intercessor: (Romans 8:26) One of the most encouraging and comforting aspects of the Holy Spirit is His ministry of intercession on behalf of those He inhabits. Because we often don’t know what or how to pray when we approach God, the Spirit intercedes and prays for us. He intercedes for us “with wordless groans,” so that when we are oppressed and overwhelmed by trials and the cares of life, He comes alongside to lend assistance as He sustains us before the throne of grace.

Revealer / Spirit of Truth: (John 14:17; 16:13; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16) Jesus promised that, after the resurrection, the Holy Spirit would come to “guide you into all truth.” Because of the Spirit in our hearts, we are able to understand truth, especially in spiritual matters, in a way that non-Christians cannot. In fact, the truth the Spirit reveals to us is “foolishness” to them, and they cannot understand it. But we have the mind of Christ in the Person of His Spirit within us.

Spirit of God / the Lord / Christ: (Matthew 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 Peter 1:11) These names remind us that the Spirit of God is indeed part of the triune godhead and that He is just as much God as the Father and the Son. He is first revealed to us at the creation, when He was “hovering over the waters,” denoting His part in creation, along with that of Jesus who “made all things” (John 1:1-3). We see this same Trinity of God again at Jesus’ baptism, when the Spirit descends on Jesus and the voice of the Father is heard.

Spirit of Life: (Romans 8:2) The phrase “Spirit of life” means the Holy Spirit is the one who produces or gives life, not that He initiates salvation, but rather that He imparts newness of life. When we receive eternal life through Christ, the Spirit provides the spiritual food that is the sustenance of the spiritual life. Here again, we see the triune God at work. We are saved by the Father through the work of the Son, and that salvation is sustained by the Holy Spirit.

Teacher: (John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13) Jesus promised that the Spirit would teach His disciples “all things” and bring to their remembrance the things He said while He was with them. The writers of the New Testament were moved by the Spirit to remember and understand the instructions Jesus gave for the building and organizing of the Church, the doctrines regarding Himself, the directives for holy living, and the revelation of things to come.

Witness: (Romans 8:16; Hebrews 2:4; 10:15) The Spirit is called “witness” because He verifies and testifies to the fact that we are children of God, that Jesus and the disciples who performed miracles were sent by God, and that the books of the Bible are divinely inspired. Further, by giving the gifts of the Spirit to believers, He witnesses to us and the world that we belong to God.

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/names-Holy-Spirit.html

There it is, all laid out in scripture, clear as a bell, and totally ignored. It is so sad.

Thank you for posting it.

 

[BibleStudent100]

If the Trinity is difficult to explain and understand by humans, then I am reminded of this text:
“God is not a God of confusion.”—1 Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).

Where is the historical evidence that the early Christians believed in the Trinity?
The testimony of the Bible and of history makes clear that the Trinity was unknown throughout Biblical times and for several centuries thereafter.

 

[Jachob]

The problem with this sort of view is that the Son, being fully God in every way, becomes completely dependant on the father for his Godhood. I don't think this is an accurate representation of the Godhead or of the Lord Jesus. I can appreciate your efforts to try and explain the unexplainable, but let me put forward my view on the Trinity.

I affirm that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. He lacks no attribute of diety but added to himself human nature. I cannot go much further than that in explaining how the Godhead functions.

As for people who dislike the word "trinity", I will not spend much time arguing semantics, but I would say affirming the deity of Christ is an essential doctrine of our faith. Not that believing that on its own will save you, but that believing Jesus is God will be something the Holy Spirit testifies to.

I think the Godhead is simply an unfathomable mystery and attempts to explain it will always lead to some sort of erroneous view. Let me give you some examples.

The water, steam, and ice analogy is given by some is actually modalism. It denies the distinct personhood of each and simply expresses the three persons as manifestations of the same person.

The Trinity is like an egg or a three leaf clover are representations of tritheism, that there are three separate Gods and not one God in three persons. The reason why is that these representations do not fully express the Godhead in a way that honestly exhibits the necessary attributes of the Triune God to be qualified as a Biblical teaching.

I think we should just accept that we may not fully comprehend the incomprehensible God.

 

[Noose]

The problem with this sort of view is that the Son, being fully God in every way, becomes completely dependant on the father for his Godhood. I don't think this is an accurate representation of the Godhead or of the Lord Jesus. I can appreciate your efforts to try and explain the unexplainable, but let me put forward my view on the Trinity.

I affirm that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. He lacks no attribute of diety but added to himself human nature. I cannot go much further than that in explaining how the Godhead functions.

As for people who dislike the word "trinity", I will not spend much time arguing semantics, but I would say affirming the deity of Christ is an essential doctrine of our faith. Not that believing that on its own will save you, but that believing Jesus is God will be something the Holy Spirit testifies to.

I think the Godhead is simply an unfathomable mystery and attempts to explain it will always lead to some sort of erroneous view. Let me give you some examples.

The water, steam, and ice analogy is given by some is actually modalism. It denies the distinct personhood of each and simply expresses the three persons as manifestations of the same person.

The Trinity is like an egg or a three leaf clover are representations of tritheism, that there are three separate Gods and not one God in three persons. The reason why is that these representations do not fully express the Godhead in a way that honestly exhibits the necessary attributes of the Triune God to be qualified as a Biblical teaching.

I think we should just accept that we may not fully comprehend the incomprehensible God.

Good except that Jesus has explained God. Are you trying to say that He failed/was unfruitful in His explanation?

 

[PS]

If the Trinity is difficult to explain and understand by humans, then I am reminded of this text:
“God is not a God of confusion.”—1 Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS).

Where is the historical evidence that the early Christians believed in the Trinity?
The testimony of the Bible and of history makes clear that the Trinity was unknown throughout Biblical times and for several centuries thereafter.

The three persons of the GODHEAD.

Rom_1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Col_2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col_1:19 for in him all the fulness of the Godhead was pleased to dwell,

 

[Noose]

The three persons of the GODHEAD.

Rom_1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Col_2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col_1:19 for in him all the fulness of the Godhead was pleased to dwell,

Nothing in these verses suggests 3 distinct persons. Distinct yet one can not exist, it's like a square circle. You can either have one or distinct but never both.

 

[Jachob]

Good except that Jesus has explained God. Are you trying to say that He failed/was unfruitful in His explanation?

What do you mean when you say "Jesus has explained God". Can you elaborate on what passages you are referring to?

 

[Noose]

What do you mean when you say "Jesus has explained God". Can you elaborate on what passages you are referring to?

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.

Matt 11:27All things have been entrusted to Me by MyFather. No one knows the Son except the Father,and no one knows the Father except the Son andthose to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

The word 'see' as used in this passage would mean 'understand', so if God has revealed Himself to us through Jesus, why are some saying He is a mystery?

 

[PS]

The water, steam, and ice analogy is given by some is actually modalism. It denies the distinct personhood of each and simply expresses the three persons as manifestations of the same person

God is One. CO2 is One.

Water, steam, and ice are three distinct manifestations of CO2.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three distinct manifestations of the One God.

Each, being distinct from the other, manifest in different ways and places, of the same substance, and existing simultaneously in different places.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Look into the term, 'Christophany.'

 

[Noose]

God is One. CO2 is One.

Water, steam, and ice are three distinct manifestations of CO2.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three distinct manifestations of the One God.

Each, being distinct from the other, manifest in different ways and places, of the same substance, and existing simultaneously.

You mean H2O?! 3 distinct persons at different places/ 3 different thoughts at the same time would make 3 gods