Jesus said "this is the work of God, that you believe on Him who He has sent". So we understand that the work of God is through faith in Jesus Christ and faith through the Spirit. So work is no more work. Our work now is ministered by the Spirit and not of the flesh.
Must we repent in order to be forgiven?
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Jesus said "this is the work of God, that you believe on Him who He has sent". So we understand that the work of God is through faith in Jesus Christ and faith through the Spirit. So work is no more work. Our work now is ministered by the Spirit and not of the flesh.
Jesus establishes the principle that there are only two spiritual conditions of man - regenerated and unregenerated - by His words, "He that is not with Me is against Me."
It is not necessary for God to convict regenerated hearts to follow Him - they are already doing that. Therefore, the only hearts in need of such conviction are unregenerated hearts.
Jesus said that even perfect obedience to Him by His servants is "unprofitable" and I agree with Jesus.
Therefore, the problem isn't me teaching salvation by works -- the problem is you trying to obtain eternal life through dead faith when James is clear it's obtained only by living faith.
Yes, and I certainly remember mine, (un-regenerate heart) and I also remember very clearly
that if my Saviour had not been 'working-calling/protecting me through oh so many years,
'before' my conversion, then I would most definitely be in the grave bodily,
kind of like where my 'old-man' now resides...
that if my Saviour had not been 'working-calling/protecting me through oh so many years,
'before' my conversion, then I would most definitely be in the grave bodily,
kind of like where my 'old-man' now resides...
And here lies the crux of the issue: the difference between sins we fall into and climb back up out by the outstretched hand of God...and ones we sit down and get comfortable with with no intention of taking God's hand.
There is mercy for those guilty of the first kind, but eternal death for those who are guilty of the second kind.
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TF,
what are you saying?
it sounds like you are saying that you have 'nixed' the Book of James out of the Bible
and have no reason to apply it's Truths and Principles to yourself?
curious...
A Scriptural argument from Matthew 16:23 KJV via Socratic Method:
QUESTION:
What kind of heart was in the bosom of Satan when God communicated His will and expectation to him by, "get behind Me"?
ANSWER:
An unregenerate, depraved heart.
Unregenerate, depraved hearts are the only ones in need of Holy Spirit conviction of God's will and expectation - regenerate hearts are already safely in the bosom of Jesus.
I take the book of Leviticus and read it for all of its wonderful truths but i take it in context. All the books should be read this way . Most just read the bible as if every verse is speaking to them directly and completely miss what the understanding is .
All men are dealt a measure of faith...that includes ALL, not just a select bunch which God intends to save anyway against their will. What's the point of exercising faith in God or not if everyone's destiny is already predetermined?
The beautiful thing about free will choice is knowing the love given to you by another is given solely on their choice to do so.
Forced surrender of affection is not love, it's rape.
God is not a cosmic rapist. He is a Divine Gentleman Who gives us the choice to either love Him freely or spurn His affections.
Yes and like a good Father ,once you become a child of God is not going to then cast you into hell when you mess up . Its not 'probation ' .
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And WHEN he is come, he WILL reprove the WORLD of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, BECAUSE they BELIEVE NOT on me;
10Of righteousness, BECAUSE I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, BECAUSE the prince of this world is judged.
12¶I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13Howbeit WHEN he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
Yet the bible says you were an enemy of God, lost , without hope and a stranger.
He made it possible at his death , burial and resurrection. Now everyone can come through faith.
Luke 1:37
God has done more than that for me to make it possible for me to choose rightly.
And they are promises made in Scripture...
So I know beyond any shadow of doubt: His Word is True.