Matthew 9:18 ???

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I don't mean to be controversial but this verse is glitchy, possibly it might be from what I've read about Matthew that it was found mostly in fragments and had to be pieced back together it just doesn't match Luke or mark accounts of these two events the questioning about fasting and the raising of the dead girl. In Matthew it says these events were right after the other while Jesus was speaking but in Luke and Mark they are mikes apart and other things happen in between. The other issue is when Matthew talks about jarius kneeling and saying his daughter has died. That is putting the cart before the horse if reading Luke and marks account, for jarius didn't know his daughter had died until the two servents from his house came and told him so and that was after Jesus healed the woman who bled for 12 years. he did know she was close to dying but not actually died while kneeling infront of Jesus.

Just wondering what people think of things like this in the bible?


Matthew 9:14~17
Jesus Questioned About Fasting

14Then John’s disciples came and asked him, “How is it that we and the Pharisees fast often, but your disciples do not fast?”
15Jesus answered, “How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
16“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.
17Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”

Matthew 9:18~26
Jesus Raises a Dead Girl and Heals a Sick Woman

18While he was saying this, a synagogue leader came and knelt before him and said, “My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live.”

19Jesus got up and went with him, and so did his disciples.
20Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak.
21She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.”
22Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.
23When Jesus entered the synagogue leader’s house and saw the noisy crowd and people playing pipes,
24he said, “Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep.” But they laughed at him.
25After the crowd had been put outside, he went in and took the girl by the hand, and she got up.
26News of this spread through all that region.
 
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Didn't think it would grab interest, o well though I see it...
 
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It's obvious a detail of the story was remembered differently at some point.
 
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I think Christ used both healings to speak of the true fast, the subject matter of that portion of scripture .The kind of fast which the disciples knew not of .

The healing of the woman with the blood disorder in other accounts like Mark in Mathew was not included "who touched me"? Virtue had went out. I think a key to understanding the kind of fast He was referring to and not a fast from not eating literal food as the disciples thought. But in how that related to the phrase in Mathew 14:15. Representing the consummation of the wedding in heaven when the bride of Christ the church will receive her new incorruptible body . The word touched I think would have to do when a man touches a woman before the wedding. The time had not come.

The true fast represents the gospel. It was shown as raising the daughter and healing the temporal blood disorder.

The Son of man again and again informed the disciples if He not go the comforter would not come. The same comforter typified as our husband Christ who lives in the believer by faith gives us a living hope of the time of the consummation of the wedding in the new heavens and earth.

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.Mathew 14:15

You could say we are in a state of fasting as the bride of Christ clothed with His righteousness as the cloth represented in the phrase . (Who touched my clothes?)Mark 5:30

And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?Mark 5:30
 
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garee said:
I think Christ used both healings to speak of the true fast, the subject matter of that portion of scripture .The kind of fast which the disciples knew not of .

The healing of the woman with the blood disorder in other accounts like Mark in Mathew was not included "who touched me"? Virtue had went out. I think a key to understanding the kind of fast He was referring to and not a fast from not eating literal food as the disciples thought. But in how that related to the phrase in Mathew 14:15. Representing the consummation of the wedding in heaven when the bride of Christ the church will receive her new incorruptible body . The word touched I think would have to do when a man touches a woman before the wedding. The time had not come.

The true fast represents the gospel. It was shown as raising the daughter and healing the temporal blood disorder.

The Son of man again and again informed the disciples if He not go the comforter would not come. The same comforter typified as our husband Christ who lives in the believer by faith gives us a living hope of the time of the consummation of the wedding in the new heavens and earth.

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.Mathew 14:15

You could say we are in a state of fasting as the bride of Christ clothed with His righteousness as the cloth represented in the phrase . (Who touched my clothes?)Mark 5:30

And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?Mark 5:30
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Thanks Garee for posting, I enjoyed reading your comments.
 
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I don't believe things like this in bible are a bad thing, it can help people to dig deeper into the bible for more info on events and such, John 12:14 is another good example of digging deeper to find the full understanding of the event.

John 12:14
Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written:

If anyone has read the whole event, surely one would know Jesus knew the donkey was in the town, it was the disciples who found the donkey as Jesus said they would.

there's a lot of misquoted super paraphrasing going on within the four gospels but it's not always a bad thing.
 
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