That's nice because we can read this , At the time they were preaching the Gospel ( Kingdom message ) but what does that have to do with anything ?They haven't Preached His Death-Burial-Resurrection yet. But we know they will.
That's nice because we can read this , At the time they were preaching the Gospel ( Kingdom message ) but what does that have to do with anything ?They haven't Preached His Death-Burial-Resurrection yet. But we know they will.
This is my point . So which Gospel are they preaching then ?They haven't Preached His Death-Burial-Resurrection yet. But we know they will.
They don't know they will is the point .They haven't Preached His Death-Burial-Resurrection yet. But we know they will.
Is there a difference in your mind between following Paul and following Christ?That‘s not what it says though. It literally says “if” you don’t forgive others the neither will you be forgiven. Forgiving others come before being forgiven, thus in this case, a condition of being forgiven.
The apostle Paul never makes such claim to the body of Christ.
The entire bible preaches the gospel. In Lev. 17:11 the Lord told of giving blood on the altar for the salvation of our souls. God is an eternal God, not subject to time as we know it. Christ was from the beginning. The sacrificial system in the old testament was a sacrifice of blood, a shadow of Christ, but the entire idea of the sacrificial system was the forgiveness of sin.Show me where they are preaching the same gospel as Paul ( 1 cor 15 ,1-4 ) prior to Mathew 27 please?
The Gospel means ' good news ' .The entire bible preaches the gospel. In Lev. 17:11 the Lord told of giving blood on the altar for the salvation of our souls. God is an eternal God, not subject to time as we know it. Christ was from the beginning. The sacrificial system in the old testament was a sacrifice of blood, a shadow of Christ, but the entire idea of the sacrificial system was the forgiveness of sin.
The nations performed sacrificial rites to feed their pretend gods, and in Isaiah we are told God hated that.
The gospel has always been the gospel from the beginning of time, not from the time of the crucifixion.
There is no scripture that is different from any other scripture, it is all from the same God, an unchanging God. When we see the sameness, instead of looking for the difference, we have a better understanding of the true word.
But it’s not talking about having a heart to forgive others. That’s commentary stuff. It literally says, if you don’t do this, then you will not be forgiven, making being forgiven conditional first on forgiving others.
If one believes the sermon on the mount is doctrine for the body of Christ, then one must conclude that forgiveness is conditional on forgiving others. This would be a work of obedience.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I do not believe the sermon on the mount is Christian doctrine but rather doctrine for the Jew living in the millennium kingdom on earth where Christ will reign on the throne of David. The sermon on the mount is a kind of constitutional guide to living in this kingdom.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I agree, but I would like to clear up ideas about the audience that Jesus was speaking to on the mount.The sermon on the mount was Jesus raising the bar of the Law for a number of reasons..
1) Because the people had come to the conclusion that Keeping the Law was the key to justifying their own entry into Gods Eternal kingdom.. That they could succeed in doing the Law as it was written..
The fact was that no one succeed in doing the written law without failure but some people deluded themselves into believing that they had.. Remember the young man who came to Jesus asking what good thing he could do to enter into Gods kingdom? When Jesus said keep the laws the young man said he had done so from his childhood. Now the young guy may have honestly believed he had kept all the laws without fail so Jesus then told him to go sell all his possessions and give them to the poor and come follow Me.. If you want to be perfect and that's the critical words in that passage a person must be perfect to justly enter into Gods kingdom.. Something that Jesus later in that passage said it is impossible for a man but with God all things are possible.. Meaning a man cannot justify himself by the LAW But the LORD Jesus can justify a man because of what He was going to do on the cross..
2) So in the sermon on the mount Jesus message would convince anyone standing and listening to it that they where doomed to fail to live up to those standards.. That they would have to be a perfect person to succed in living up to those standards.. As the Bible says the Law condemns everyone under the Law because it reveals that all are guilty and unworthy of eternity with God.. The Laws job is to show to us just how impossible it is for us to justify ourselves before God..
Galatians 3: KJV
21 "Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. {22} But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. {23} But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. {24} Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
The Law condemned us and was our schoolmaster making it clear to us that we could never be justified by law doing.. So when the the Way of salvation by belief in the Atonement of Jesus came,, the Law made it clear to us that the Way of the Gospel was the only way..
3) Some Jews in the times of Jesus because they where certain that doing the Law was the only way to justify themselves, well they had convinced themselves that they could and where doing the Law and so Jesus revealed His teachings on the mount to make it clear to those assembled just how short they where falling from the standard.. Of course a lot of Jews hated Jesus for this.. There are many people today who believe in the Works salvation doctrine who likewise believe they are succeding in doing the Law and come online here and preach their perfection in the flesh doctrine, deluding themselves and attempting to undermine the Faith babes in Christ have in the Atonement of Jesus to save them..
So we come to the teaching of Jesus on the sermon on the mount about forgiving others..
So is this teaching good and true for those who where listening to it the Jews under the law? Yes
Is it still good and should we strive to forgive without failure all who have done us wrong? Yes
Did the Jews in the audience or us here today do this teaching without fault? No
So what do we have and what was later provided for the Jews in the audience who heard this teaching of Jesus? How could there transgression and our transgression against this teaching be forgiven?
The Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. That covers us for our transgressions against His will...
Is there a difference in your mind between following Paul and following Christ?
The entire bible preaches the gospel. In Lev. 17:11 the Lord told of giving blood on the altar for the salvation of our souls. God is an eternal God, not subject to time as we know it. Christ was from the beginning. The sacrificial system in the old testament was a sacrifice of blood, a shadow of Christ, but the entire idea of the sacrificial system was the forgiveness of sin.
The nations performed sacrificial rites to feed their pretend gods, and in Isaiah we are told God hated that.
The gospel has always been the gospel from the beginning of time, not from the time of the crucifixion.
There is no scripture that is different from any other scripture, it is all from the same God, an unchanging God. When we see the sameness, instead of looking for the difference, we have a better understanding of the true word.
but is His primary intention in giving these teachings to detail the intricacies of the standard operating procedures in obtaining forgiveness, or is He expositing what it means to be born again?
the matters of the heart here, yes, aren't explicit, but i think they are implicit by the topic & the content of His saying.
I think we should all address this point. There is a sameness in all teaching for all teaching is inspired by the same eternal God. At the same time, God taught us using our kind of sequential time. We can only think of scripture as it is given in sequential time, or we can also look for the sameness that is in all scripture. The truth is best shown in the sameness.When I follow Paul, I follow Christ. But you must consider that Paul’s teachings differ than Christ’s earthly teaching to the Jews.
Hyperdispensationalism? Free Grace theology?If one believes the sermon on the mount is doctrine for the body of Christ, then one must conclude that forgiveness is conditional on forgiving others. This would be a work of obedience.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I do not believe the sermon on the mount is Christian doctrine but rather doctrine for the Jew living in the millennium kingdom on earth where Christ will reign on the throne of David. The sermon on the mount is a kind of constitutional guide to living in this kingdom.
Hyperdispensationalism? Free Grace theology?
I suggest
"Free Grace" Theology: 5 Ways It Diminishes the Gospel
by Wayne Grudem
https://www.amazon.com/Free-Grace-T...id=I38OQ3CPTJZWD8&colid=YJWEM9OC44JB&qid=&sr=
Lol, lordship salvation? Btw, grace is a free gift bought and paid for by Jesus Christ.

Therefore, it is clearly contrary to the New Testament evidence to speak about the possibility of having true saving faith without having any repentance for sin.
It is also contrary to the New Testament to speak about the possibility of someone accepting Christ “as Savior” but not “as Lord” if that means simply depending on him for salvation but not committing oneself to forsake sin and to be obedient to Christ from that point on.
The Need for Repentance from Sin and Good Works as Evidence of Faith Have Been Affirmed by All the Main Branches of Protestantism As I documented elsewhere, all the main denominational branches of historic Protestantism have affirmed that repentance from sin must always accompany genuine faith, and that good works and a changed life will necessarily result from genuine faith. This teaching is found in the Reformed theologian John Calvin (1509–1564), the Lutheran Formula of Concord (1576), the Anglican/Episcopalian Thirty-Nine Articles (1571), the Presbyterian Westminster Confession of Faith (1646), the New Hampshire Baptist Confession (1833), the writings of John Wesley (1703–1791) the founder of Methodism, and the Assemblies of God Statement of Fundamental Truths (1916).27 Therefore, orthodox Protestant theology has historically disagreed with the distinctive beliefs of the Free Grace movement. In response to my statement that “the Free Grace movement today is not upholding the Reformation doctrine of sola fide or ‘justification by faith alone,’ ”28 Jeremy Edmondson replies, “We did not get this from the Protestant Reformation, but from the holy Scriptures.”29 His entire chapter30 argues that the leaders of the Protestant Reformation were mistaken with regard to several doctrines and therefore we need not follow their understanding of justification by faith alone.I don't agree with this statement. Yes, we should go on to good works that are pleasing to the Lord, but salvation is not dependent upon any good works before or after conversion. This is lordship salvation, fruit inspectors...