Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

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HeIsHere

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Where did Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, EVER claim to be the Everlasting Father and Almighty God?

Answer: NOWHERE (including John 8:58 KJV, where Christ simply confirmed He is an immortal Being, just as ALL of the angels/sons of God are).

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I*.

*"Greater than" does NOT mean "equal to"

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; and [to] MY GOD, and your God.
So then the Father and Son are not ONE?
 

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Many of these sections where he speaks of the Father is speaking of works
I am not sure which scriptures you mean?
John 10:30, Jesus states, "I and the Father are one,"
 

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I am not sure which scriptures you mean?
John 10:30, Jesus states, "I and the Father are one,"
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John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
 

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John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Okay yes I see, yes agree.
Quite honestly I am not really sure what @AFreeman is saying, maybe i will go back in reread but it read as though he was arguing God the Father and God the Son are completely separate.
 

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8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.
 

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Your comments on this verse

Why wouldn't we know??
Well if Satan quotes scripture then surely he reads it. I entertain the thought that the father wants to catch him off guard.
It will come upon us as a thief in the night.
 
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ALL of the prophecies about Christ's Second Coming in a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim - Gen. 49:10; 22-24) with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17; 3:12; 19:12) will all happen right before Judgement Day, at a time when no one expects Christ to be here in the flesh (despite the numerous and obvious “signs of the times”), to gather His Sheep: TRUE Jacob/Israel (those that DO God’s Will).

1 Thessalonians 5:2-8
5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that That Day should overtake you as a thief.
5:5 Ye are all the children of Light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
5:6 Therefore let us not sleep (Eph. 5:14), as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.
5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

2 Peter 3:10 But the Day of the Lord WILL come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up (Mal. 4).

Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name SHALL the Sun of Righteousness (The Light of the World) arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the “I AM”:
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 1 above for the details of the curse).

Unfortunately, because almost everyone in the world is spiritually fast asleep, everyone except for “the very Elect” will refuse to believe Christ, just like it was in the days of Noah. “The very Elect” are the 144,000 who are called, chosen AND faithful (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-3, Rev. 17:14) and thus part of Christ’s spiritual family (Matt. 12:48-50, Mark 3:33-35). Everyone else will refuse to believe Christ during His Second Coming, just as everyone except Noah’s family refused to believe Noah.

Matthew 24:37-39
24:37 But as the days of Noah [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before The Flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark.
24:39 And knew not until The Flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

Luke 17:26-30
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

It seems almost everyone has missed the crucially important point of these very eloquent, “Life or death” statements. That is, possibly, because they have not joined them to the other related-warning Prophecy, given by Jesus, which must be done, otherwise it is impossible to understand the full meaning and importance of these first statements.

Christ’s second Prophetical statement was a warning about the many false christs (and religious teachers) and false prophets who, under Satan’s control, would come at the same time, in order to deceive as many people as possible (everyone except “the very Elect”), in order to keep them away from the REAL Christ, Who would at this time be upon the Earth, in human form, inside a new body from Joseph/Ephraim (Please see the article: “On The Way to Emmaus Again“). If this were not true, Satan would have no need to make false ones to keep the people away from the REAL One. The best place to hide a tree is in a wood/forest.

Christ can only enlighten those who truly seek Him (Jer. 29:13 KJV; Matt. 7:7-8 KJV). Most aren't interested, choosing instead to believe the LIE that we will allegedly be rewarded for being unrepentant criminals (sinners).

John 3:19-21
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than Light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the Light, neither cometh to the Light, lest his deeds should be revealed.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the Light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 

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Unfortunately, because almost everyone in the world is spiritually fast asleep, everyone except for “the very Elect” will refuse to believe Christ, just like it was in the days of Noah. “The very Elect” are the 144,000 who are called, chosen AND faithful (Rev. 7:4-9, Rev. 14:1-3, Rev. 17:14) and thus part of Christ’s spiritual family (Matt. 12:48-50, Mark 3:33-35). Everyone else will refuse to believe Christ during His Second Coming, just as everyone except Noah’s family refused to believe Noah.
Do you belong to the church of Kingdom Hall/ Jehovah's Witness?
 
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Do you belong to the church of Kingdom Hall/ Jehovah's Witness?
No. Jesus told us that only heathens and hypocrites go to church, to be seen by others (Matt. 6:5-8 KJV). And the term "church" in that context includes all synagogues, mosques, temples, etc., regardless of what name someone associates with them (e.g. "Kingdom Hall").

God does not dwell in temples made with human hands (Acts 7:48 KJV; Acts 17:24 KJV).
 

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No. Jesus told us that only heathens and hypocrites go to church, to be seen by others (Matt. 6:5-8 KJV). And the term "church" in that context includes all synagogues, mosques, temples, etc., regardless of what name someone associates with them (e.g. "Kingdom Hall").

God does not dwell in temples made with human hands (Acts 7:48 KJV; Acts 17:24 KJV).
Christians have always gathered together and Paul and others wrote letters to them.

Are you one of the "very elect?"
 
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Christians have always gathered together and Paul and others wrote letters to them.

Are you one of the "very elect?"
Why do you spend so much time trying to label/typecast (judge) others?

Do you believe Paul was contradicting Christ or that Christ's instructions in Matthew 6:5-8 were somehow unclear?
 

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Why do you spend so much time trying to label/typecast (judge) others?

Do you believe Paul was contradicting Christ or that Christ's instructions in Matthew 6:5-8 were somehow unclear?
I would say I am trying draw out what it is you are getting at in your posts.
So then does Matthew 6:5-8 mean we should not congregate as believers, it is to be taken as a prohibition against praying together?
 

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Where did Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, EVER claim to be the Everlasting Father and Almighty God?

John 14
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

Doesnt this satisfy the Lord being the Father?
 

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Thanks for the question.

The tradition was to call followers of philosophers after the name of their philosopher master. So the Roman people in Antioch just followed tradition when they labeled the believers as “Christians”.

Peter’s use of it was specific to persecution. He was saying “Even when they persecute you as a “Christian” don’t lose heart: they are associating you with Him.” This is my paraphrase that captures the meaning of his encouragement to believers who would suffer.

The issue with “Christian” is many-fold. It’s not just that it’s derived from a Roman tradition, also, it’s that Christ is more than a philosopher or teacher. He came not to show us different rules for life, but He actually made a way, by His own sacrifice, into the presence of the Living God. He changes our being and nature, not just our lifestyle. More so, the power He wields is not of the mind but of the Spirit. He is God not just a philosopher.
“Christian “ is simply a name to call Jesus disciples . They first began to call them Christian’s at Antioch.

It began as a simpler way to speak of Jesus followers who were spreading the gospel and doing amazing things

“and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


when someone says “ I’m Christian “ it simply means I’m a disciple of Jesus who is the Christ , or a follower of Jesus the lord
 
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I would say I am trying draw out what it is you are getting at in your posts.
So then does Matthew 6:5-8 mean we should not congregate as believers,
Matthew 6:5-8 says exactly what it means, and it means exactly what it says:

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the HYPOCRITES [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in PRIVATE; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the HEATHEN [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

There are no "believers" who love to pray standing in the churches, etc.; there are only HYPOCRITES AND HEATHENS. If one actually believes Christ, they would NOT be doing the exact opposite of what Christ COMMANDS.

, it is to be taken as a prohibition against praying together?
What part of the above passage is ambiguous about how and where we should pray? What part of "let them alone, they be blind leaders of the blind" (the church leaders leading their church followers) isn't crystal clear (ref. : Matt. 15:13-14 KJV)?

As far as the message being delivered, it's very simple and straightforward: we all need to learn to obey God and His Christ, learn to exercise the "self" discipline that Christ COMMANDS, or we will find ourselves in The Fire on the Last Day.
 

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There are no "believers" who love to pray standing in the churches, etc.; there are only HYPOCRITES AND HEATHENS. If one actually believes Christ, they would NOT be doing the exact opposite of what Christ COMMANDS.
Of course, not sure why I did not see that before. :rolleyes: