Marijuana and Christianity
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1 Timothy 5:23
[23] ...use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
I would stay away from any other intoxicating substance.
As to the question of hookers; the Bible is quite clear regarding whoremongers:
Hebrews 13:4
[4] Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
[23] ...use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
I would stay away from any other intoxicating substance.
As to the question of hookers; the Bible is quite clear regarding whoremongers:
Hebrews 13:4
[4] Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Legal doesn't always mean morally correct. As many people have already mentioned, though in different ways, (recreational) marijuana use is not treating your body as a temple. It helps people with parkinsons, or cancer patients, calm down and quit having tremors or violently throwing up. However, for recreational users this calming effect is excessive. For example, your stomach slows its work significantly and just sits there. Not exactly harmless. People smoke for the "high" and the fleeting moment of what seems to be a happy calm before being thrown back into the turmoil of the world. We as Christians don't need that, as we can turn to God for a better, everlasting joy no matter what happens.
Any Christian that is seriously considering the plant for any reason beyond medicinal usage (and there is a fine line there btw) better well understand what Pharmakeia (witchcraft, sorcery) is before "partaking".
The state is unaccountably different from drunkenness, except in the stereotypical way that it is portrayed in the media. There are some where it's something like drinking...but there are others where the cerebral/spiritual element can be channeled to one's own purposes. This doesn't necessarily have to be purposely aligning one's self toward evil blatantly...but the issue is setting up your own will as "god" in your life. Pursuing your life as you see fit, setting yourself up as god with the Lord being secondary and almost deistic in relationship.
I would say for some the drinking and sobriety element could hold sway as an argument. To others that this has no power over because it appears to work positive mental/spiritual change allowing for more personal control, understand that there is something very deep at work and I think unless you have clarity before the Lord, there is a damning element. Pharaoh's magicians were likely to have been very clear headed in the traditional sense, spiritually this was NOT so.
Consider the Rastafarian sacramental element as well. I am not denying it can be used this way, what I will debate is that it can be used as a sacrament unto the Lord. Who are you worshipping? If you choose to pursue it further into the recreational/spiritual category just be aware of what it "could be" and not from some random person on the net. Seek him on it.
I am not unaware of some of these elements. Unfortunately, much like sex outside marriage, this feels like it may be in the same category.
There's a lot more to be said, but since this issue has "sat" for a while without clarification and there are temptations in forbidden knowledge that I struggle with and "why" it's wrong (not that I don't think it's wrong) I'll leave that element here.
There are topics I won't discuss here except to say to stay away and that they are written in plain scripture. You reap what you sow and Cannabis feels like autocannabalism in a way potentially (virgin's oil?). Sourcing from yourself or perhaps the enemy...or from the Lord but sort of "peeking" ahead, using a shortcut, cheating yourself out of learning to eat the meat of the word and skipping to dessert...Except, it's not time for dessert yet is it? He isn't back yet. So then, any feasting that is done on something that cannot be properly enjoyed until it is the proper time for feasting is error. The marriage of the bridegroom has not yet occurred and there are many things the enemy can use to steal from us and divert us into spiritual harlotry in the meantime. Be wary, and exhaust all avenues prior to engaging it, there's always something else you can do and it pains me at times but choosing the Lord's way isn't usually as "delicious" but I have faith that someday it will be and we will get to rejoice and glory in him properly not just in tiny snippets.
I realize this is a lot, I had already let this thread slide but it was bumped. Things are a bit clearer to me now than they were then, I had lost sight of what was in store and had misplaced that faith for tantalizing moral decadence as the only thing in sight and to resist it...but it seems now it's easier to resist because my focus is on eternity more, which is cool.
The state is unaccountably different from drunkenness, except in the stereotypical way that it is portrayed in the media. There are some where it's something like drinking...but there are others where the cerebral/spiritual element can be channeled to one's own purposes. This doesn't necessarily have to be purposely aligning one's self toward evil blatantly...but the issue is setting up your own will as "god" in your life. Pursuing your life as you see fit, setting yourself up as god with the Lord being secondary and almost deistic in relationship.
I would say for some the drinking and sobriety element could hold sway as an argument. To others that this has no power over because it appears to work positive mental/spiritual change allowing for more personal control, understand that there is something very deep at work and I think unless you have clarity before the Lord, there is a damning element. Pharaoh's magicians were likely to have been very clear headed in the traditional sense, spiritually this was NOT so.
Consider the Rastafarian sacramental element as well. I am not denying it can be used this way, what I will debate is that it can be used as a sacrament unto the Lord. Who are you worshipping? If you choose to pursue it further into the recreational/spiritual category just be aware of what it "could be" and not from some random person on the net. Seek him on it.
I am not unaware of some of these elements. Unfortunately, much like sex outside marriage, this feels like it may be in the same category.
There's a lot more to be said, but since this issue has "sat" for a while without clarification and there are temptations in forbidden knowledge that I struggle with and "why" it's wrong (not that I don't think it's wrong) I'll leave that element here.
There are topics I won't discuss here except to say to stay away and that they are written in plain scripture. You reap what you sow and Cannabis feels like autocannabalism in a way potentially (virgin's oil?). Sourcing from yourself or perhaps the enemy...or from the Lord but sort of "peeking" ahead, using a shortcut, cheating yourself out of learning to eat the meat of the word and skipping to dessert...Except, it's not time for dessert yet is it? He isn't back yet. So then, any feasting that is done on something that cannot be properly enjoyed until it is the proper time for feasting is error. The marriage of the bridegroom has not yet occurred and there are many things the enemy can use to steal from us and divert us into spiritual harlotry in the meantime. Be wary, and exhaust all avenues prior to engaging it, there's always something else you can do and it pains me at times but choosing the Lord's way isn't usually as "delicious" but I have faith that someday it will be and we will get to rejoice and glory in him properly not just in tiny snippets.
I realize this is a lot, I had already let this thread slide but it was bumped. Things are a bit clearer to me now than they were then, I had lost sight of what was in store and had misplaced that faith for tantalizing moral decadence as the only thing in sight and to resist it...but it seems now it's easier to resist because my focus is on eternity more, which is cool.
Really? You come back months later to stir it up again, don't answer any of the main points anybody has made, and keep arguing that it should be okay?
Two possibilities:
1 - You are a troll who enjoys making and perpetuating arguments.
2 - You want to justify using marijuana so you won't feel guilty about using it yourself.
Either way, I'm out. You will do what you want and there is no profit in arguing with you.
Two possibilities:
1 - You are a troll who enjoys making and perpetuating arguments.
2 - You want to justify using marijuana so you won't feel guilty about using it yourself.
Either way, I'm out. You will do what you want and there is no profit in arguing with you.
Hello Kayny14!
The answer to your question would be a definite no! As it is not an acceptable practice with God. Marijuana, among others, is a drug which is translated from the Greek word 'pharmakeia' which is where we get our English word pharmaceutical from.
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Usage: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
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"And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues did not even repent of the works of their hands so that they will not worship the demons, and the golden and silver and bronze and stone and wooden idols, which are able neither to see, nor to hear, nor to walk. And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their sexual immorality, nor of their thefts.
This would be referring to all who are engaging in recreational drug use, even though they are not casting spells or performing incantations. Recreational drug use also falls under sorcery or magic arts.
The answer to your question would be a definite no! As it is not an acceptable practice with God. Marijuana, among others, is a drug which is translated from the Greek word 'pharmakeia' which is where we get our English word pharmaceutical from.
Strong's Concordance
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Definition: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Usage: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
HELPS Word-studies
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
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"And the rest of the men who were not killed by these plagues did not even repent of the works of their hands so that they will not worship the demons, and the golden and silver and bronze and stone and wooden idols, which are able neither to see, nor to hear, nor to walk. And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their sexual immorality, nor of their thefts.
This would be referring to all who are engaging in recreational drug use, even though they are not casting spells or performing incantations. Recreational drug use also falls under sorcery or magic arts.
