Loss of salvation???

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You require verses on the loss of salvation?

OK
I'll give you as many as possible till I have to leave:

Excellent, and I will show you the fallacies behind your use and application of these references:

1 Timothy 4.1
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,


Nothing in that verse saying anything about the result of the individual falling away from the faith they once held to, so what's your point...apart from assuming into that text a loss that's not there?

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have [a]fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, [b]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.


Yes, and there is also statements in the Gospels talking about belief in Christ ensures one HATH salvation, not WILL be saved, but has it in the present tense. So, where it's true that Israel at that time, to whom Hebrews was written, could not expect a second sacrifice by putting Christ to shame a second time, they were indeed lost from then on. That reference in Hebrews doesn't say one word about such an individual being saved nor actually having had true faith.

I said it before, and will say it again: Israelis and proselytes, under the Kingdom Gospel, weren't saved because they endured. They endured because of their faith. This reference in Hebrews describes those whose faith wasn't complete and established, so the second sacrifice simply wasn't going to manifest for them.

2 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his trickery, your minds will be led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ.


Again, you're assuming salvational loss into this text, which clearly isn't there. This plays into that silly nonsense of back-slidden loss of salvation crap that people invent in their own minds, never giving though to what Paul stated:

2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

You people can't seem to get it through your heads that our salvation today is about HIM and HIS faithfulness, not ours. You continue to sin like all the rest of us. Are you going to sit there and claim to be more faithful than others? Is that your basis for comparative knowledge for your salvation in this moment? You're fooling only yourself in all this.

Revelation 2:4-5
4 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the [a]deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.


(YAWN) Same fallacy...assuming salvational loss in the text above, in spite of the array of scripture that speaks about our rewards...not to mention that John wrote those letters to churchs comprised of Israelis and proselytes given that never are Gentiles included in imagery of lampstands. Your use of this is yet again dabbling in replacement theology trash.

Romans 11:19-22
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.


Paul was inspired indeed to write about the contrast between Israel as a branch and Gentiles as another branch, with the Lord's main theme in this being CONCEIT. Replacement theology is indeed that level of conceit that you Gentiles perpetrate either directly or through veiled slight-of-hand comments and narratives skimming over that line in an ever so hard to notice crossing.

Matthew 24:10-13
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.


Huh?

James 1:12
12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has [a]been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.


Again, James was speaking to...whom, and under what Gospel? Yes, the twelve tribes of Israel under the Kingdom Gospel. Blessing is the theme here, not loss of salvation.

1 Timothy 4:16
16 Pay close attention to yourself and to the teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.


Yes, because the false gospels of works-based salvation and salvation loss within the Gospel of Grace are indeed grievously false doctrines arising from a false foundation that cannot save anyone. How is one saved through a gospel no longer in force?

James 5:19-20
19 My brothers and sisters, if anyone among you strays from the truth and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.


Yes, James again speaking to the twelve tribes under the Kingdom Gospel. Repeating the same usage fallacy on your part doesn't magically transform your misguided use of James into a truth for us today. Where did James tell them that they are sealed by Holy Spirit as an earnest unto salvation? Come on. Let's get consistent with all this, shall we?

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I strictly discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.


You erroneously assume salvation into that qualification. This is a very common fallacy among works-based salvationists, making salvation a matter of qualification rather than it being a gift. How pathetic this misapplication of yours really is.

John 15:1-5
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He [a]prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already [b]clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in Me, [c]and I in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit [d]of itself [e]but must remain in the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; the one who remains in Me, and I in him [f]bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.



Many, many more...
but the above should suffice.

Loss of salvation is indeed possible...
and all should know this and heed the teaching.

No doubt that you can quote more and more verses out from their contexts, which makes it easier to apply your emotional appeals to salvation being the central theme they are all allegedly addressing, and yet are not. Shoving aside the crucial element of reward while ignoring the address of those who were not truly in the faith to begin with, such as the many pretenders within churchianity today, your case is amazingly shabby and bereft of substance., Please prove salvation is the central point of these verses in the way that YOU are trying to apply them.

MM
 
I think it's indicative of his soteriology - one bite/sip and done - so a project boggles his thinking.

Mine is like the parables in Luke14 re: looking at a building project or going to war, assessing the capacities to complete it, realizing Who graciously provides His capacities to the relationship, and proceeding with the project until completion even though there will be challenges along the way that could make some walk away like the builder and the king. Same as Jesus and Paul talking about a process of building on proper foundations or watering and caring for crops until completed.

IOW my soteriology is that it's a process and it's more like the big portions that overwhelm him. Such are not a big deal and actually not a bad analogy when viewed through a different lens. Just like looking at a vacant piece of land and looking at a piece of masterful architecture on paper and knowing it's a process to complete it. Some seem to think the foundation is the end of the project.

I think your video re: analogies was good on many levels.
Yes.
There would be just too many verses about looking forward to the task at hand.
Luke 9.... whoever puts his hand to the plow must not look back.

Luke 14....counting the cost before beginning to build so that one may finish.


But we're comforted by such great verses too:
Come to Me you who are tired and heavy laden (with the Law)
and I will give you rest.
My yoke is easy.
My burden is light.

That's because Jesus IS our yoke.
 
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Excellent, and I will show you the fallacies behind your use and application of these references:

1 Timothy 4.1
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [a]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,


Nothing in that verse saying anything about the result of the individual falling away from the faith they once held to, so what's your point...apart from assuming into that text a loss that's not there?

What is the individual falling away from?
Is it THE FAITH?

Is a person without faith a saved person?

No faith
No salvation

No matte WHEN it happens.


Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have [a]fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, [b]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
Yes, and there is also statements in the Gospels talking about belief in Christ ensures one HATH salvation, not WILL be saved, but has it in the present tense. So, where it's true that Israel at that time, to whom Hebrews was written, could not expect a second sacrifice by putting Christ to shame a second time, they were indeed lost from then on. That reference in Hebrews doesn't say one word about such an individual being saved nor actually having had true faith.

I said it before, and will say it again: Israelis and proselytes, under the Kingdom Gospel, weren't saved because they endured. They endured because of their faith. This reference in Hebrews describes those whose faith wasn't complete and established, so the second sacrifice simply wasn't going to manifest for them.
You say those in Hebr 6 had faith that wasn't complete?
This sounds complete:


THEY HAVE BEEN ENLIGHTENED
THEY HAVE TASTED OF THE HEAVENLY GIFT
THEY ARE PARTAKES OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
THEY HAVE TASTED OF THE GOOD WORD OF GOD

THEN the above HAVE FALLEN AWAY.

Fallen away means they are NO LONGER:

ENLIGHTENED
HAVE THE HEAVENLY GIFT
ARE PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
NO LONGER HAVE THE WORD OF GOD



2 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his trickery, your minds will be led astray from sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Again, you're assuming salvational loss into this text, which clearly isn't there. This plays into that silly nonsense of back-slidden loss of salvation crap that people invent in their own minds, never giving though to what Paul stated:[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that Paul contradicted himself??
IF he did...we might want to ditch the NT.

But no need to.....

The serpent DECEIVED Eve
Our MINDS could also be DECEIVED...
led astary....

we all know what happened to Eve.




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@Musicmaster
2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Oh my. You THINK 2 tim 2:13 means that Jesus will remain faithful to an apostate?


It says that Jesus will remain faithful to HIMSELF.

Let's check:


2 Timothy 2:12-13
12If we endure, we will also reign with Him;
If we [a]deny Him, He will also deny us;



13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

Take a close look MM:

IF you're understanding of 2 Tim2:13 is correct.....
it conflicts with
2 Tim 2:12

Verse 2:12 states that if we endure, we will reign with Him.
so.....
IF we do NOT endure...we will not reign with Him.
It states that if we deny Him....
He will also deny us.

Verse 2:13 means that God is faithful to His character, His promises.
God did NOT promise to save anyone that does not have faith AND obeys Him.
It means that even if we are not faithful to Him....
He will always remain faithful to Himself.
NOT to you if you abandon Him.

YOU, by your incorrect interpretation,
are causing a conflict between verse 12 and verse 13




You people can't seem to get it through your heads that our salvation today is about HIM and HIS faithfulness, not ours. You continue to sin like all the rest of us. Are you going to sit there and claim to be more faithful than others? Is that your basis for comparative knowledge for your salvation in this moment? You're fooling only yourself in all this.
Who are "you people".
You mean we Christians?
Are you not a Christian?

Please read 2 Tim 2:12-13 again.
You might understand it...maybe.

And, yes, you sure do assume a lot.
It's a problem of yours that you are unwilling to leave behind.


Revelation 2:4-5
4 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the [a]deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
(YAWN) Same fallacy...assuming salvational loss in the text above, in spite of the array of scripture that speaks about our rewards...not to mention that John wrote those letters to churchs comprised of Israelis and proselytes given that never are Gentiles included in imagery of lampstands. Your use of this is yet again dabbling in replacement theology trash.
You are AGAIN stating that there is conflict in scripture.
This must be why you've creatged two different gospels.
To explain the conflict YOU are causing by not accepting what scripture plainly states.

Rev 2:4
From where have the members of the church fallen ?
Why must they repent? Repent means to change direction - for those that may not know.
Why does Jesus tell them to DO THE DEEDS they did at first.
OR
Jesus will remove thier lampstand.
REMOVE the lampstand.

UNLESS they change their direction.
UNLESS means something not too good will happen.






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3 of 3 @Musicmaster

Romans 11:19-22
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.
Paul was inspired indeed to write about the contrast between Israel as a branch and Gentiles as another branch, with the Lord's main theme in this being CONCEIT. Replacement theology is indeed that level of conceit that you Gentiles perpetrate either directly or through veiled slight-of-hand comments and narratives skimming over that line in an ever so hard to notice crossing.
It might be replacement theology -whatever that is -
but the important part is that God will be kind IF WE CONTINUE in His kindness...
To those WHO FALL (so much talk about falling) severity....
severity is explained as BEING CUT OFF.


Matthew 24:10-13
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 See then the kindness and severity of God: to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; for otherwise you too will be cut off.
Romans 11 was repeated by mistake.


James 1:12
12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has [a]been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Again, James was speaking to...whom, and under what Gospel? Yes, the twelve tribes of Israel under the Kingdom Gospel. Blessing is the theme here, not loss of salvation.

These are excuses...as I already stated before.
There is one gospel.
It's for all of us.
All of Jesus' teachings are for all His disciples.

The above is about enduring till the end.
Only those that endure to the end will be saved.


1 Timothy 4:16
16 Pay close attention to yourself and to the teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
Yes, because the false gospels of works-based salvation and salvation loss within the Gospel of Grace are indeed grievously false doctrines arising from a false foundation that cannot save anyone. How is one saved through a gospel no longer in force?
Do you read the verses?
It states that one must persevere...
PERSEVERE.




James 5:19-20
19 My brothers and sisters, if anyone among you strays from the truth and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
Yes, James again speaking to the twelve tribes under the Kingdom Gospel. Repeating the same usage fallacy on your part doesn't magically transform your misguided use of James into a truth for us today. Where did James tell them that they are sealed by Holy Spirit as an earnest unto salvation? Come on. Let's get consistent with all this, shall we?

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I strictly discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.


You erroneously assume salvation into that qualification. This is a very common fallacy among works-based salvationists, making salvation a matter of qualification rather than it being a gift. How pathetic this misapplication of yours really is.
No error.
Paul is stating that he will be DISQUALIFIED after preaching to others.
What do you think he was preaching??
How to win a relay race??

John 15:1-5
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He [a]prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already [b]clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in Me, [c]and I in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit [d]of itself [e]but must remain in the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; the one who remains in Me, and I in him [f]bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown away like a branch and dries up; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
No comment?

Understandable.

John 15:2 plainly states that if we do not produce fruit/do good deeds, we will be CUT OFF from the vine by God.



No doubt that you can quote more and more verses out from their contexts, which makes it easier to apply your emotional appeals to salvation being the central theme they are all allegedly addressing, and yet are not. Shoving aside the crucial element of reward while ignoring the address of those who were not truly in the faith to begin with, such as the many pretenders within churchianity today, your case is amazingly shabby and bereft of substance., Please prove salvation is the central point of these verses in the way that YOU are trying to apply them.

MM
Making assumptions again.
I make no emotional appeals.

I listed verses...which you apparently twist to make them mean what YOU want them to mean.

Please post WHERE in the above verses, it shows that they "were not really saved".


I've proved my belief system.

It is YOU that is unable to.

You could try again...
but, of course, you will not be able to.

You'd have to show that:

1. The verses are speaking about these make believe believers you keep referencing.
2. It's impossible to lose salvation.
 
One day you'll understand that we are unable to! That's why we understand the need of a Savior, unlike you
1 John 1:8-10
Your not able to be 100% perfect BillyBob?!!!

Oh my.

Then how do you know you're saved?
Golly Gee.

Every single Christian I know is 100% PERFECT....

Yeah.

I think that to be saved we have to do A LOT OF WORKS....
You know....
REALLY A LOT......

And then God will say:
OOOOOH....
What a good person ToKnow is....
she does SO MANY GOOD WORKS....
I think I'll just have to save her.

..............................................

You know Billybob

Why don't you post some serious stuff
or
Don't hit your head on the way out.
 
What is the individual falling away from?
Is it THE FAITH?

Is a person without faith a saved person?

No faith
No salvation

No matte WHEN it happens.

You continue to err in this with the same lack of understanding. You keep making salvation a matter of our faithfulness rather than that of Christ once a person stands in true faith. It's about the faithfulness of Christ rather than our own.

2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

What part of that do you not understand? Why this prideful infatuation with self and what you can do for yourself in relation to salvation? The words of this verse are so very clear, and yet you reject what is written while injecting salvation into other verses where it is not the object in view apart from your false injections of salvation where it is not, all because of this belief that salvation hinges upon the feeble and frail faithfulness in ourselves.

If you believe you preserve your salvation on the basis of your own strength and your own faithfulness while never being able to define that alleged line of loss over which one must step to lose it, you're simply standing in the strength of a religion of man's own making.

Come on! Where's your courage? That confidence you exude in the strength of your own faithfulness is meaningless when you can't even define that line. Pretend I'm a potential convert and I ask you about that line of salvation and where it resides. What will you say? How would you define it for me? After all, it behooves you to lay down the most basic of borders wherein I would have to stand in order to know what to avoid as to where all those land mines are located that you seem to think are out there.

Telling someone that the retention of their salvation is based upon their own faithfulness, that's a false gospel that absolutely is not in force today.

What now?

MM
 
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You continue to err in this with the same lack of understanding. You keep making salvation a matter of our faithfulness rather than that of Christ once a person stands in true faith. It's about the faithfulness of Christ rather than our own.

2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

What part of that do you not understand? Why this prideful infatuation with self and what you can do for yourself in relation to salvation? The words of this verse are so very clear, and yet you reject what is written while injecting salvation into other verses where it is not the object in view apart from your false injections of salvation where it is not, all because of this belief that salvation hinges upon the feeble and frail faithfulness in ourselves.

If you believe you preserve your salvation on the basis of your own strength and your own faithfulness while never being able to define that alleged line of loss over which one must step to lose it, you're simply standing in the strength of a religion of man's own making.

Come on! Where's your courage? That confidence you exude in the strength of your own faithfulness is meaningless when you can't even define that line. Pretend I'm a potential convert and I ask you about that line of salvation and where it resides. What will you say? How would you define it for me? After all, it behooves you to lay down the most basic of borders wherein I would have to stand in order to know what to avoid as to where all those land mines are located that you seem to think are out there.

Telling someone that the retention of their salvation is based upon their own faithfulness, that's a false gospel that absolutely is not in force today.

What now?

MM

So many repetitive fallacious arguments and zero desire to reconsider them. It's just noise.
 
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You continue to err in this with the same lack of understanding. You keep making salvation a matter of our faithfulness rather than that of Christ once a person stands in true faith. It's about the faithfulness of Christ rather than our own.

2 Timothy 2:13
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

What part of that do you not understand? Why this prideful infatuation with self and what you can do for yourself in relation to salvation? The words of this verse are so very clear, and yet you reject what is written while injecting salvation into other verses where it is not the object in view apart from your false injections of salvation where it is not, all because of this belief that salvation hinges upon the feeble and frail faithfulness in ourselves.

If you believe you preserve your salvation on the basis of your own strength and your own faithfulness while never being able to define that alleged line of loss over which one must step to lose it, you're simply standing in the strength of a religion of man's own making.

Come on! Where's your courage? That confidence you exude in the strength of your own faithfulness is meaningless when you can't even define that line. Pretend I'm a potential convert and I ask you about that line of salvation and where it resides. What will you say? How would you define it for me? After all, it behooves you to lay down the most basic of borders wherein I would have to stand in order to know what to avoid as to where all those land mines are located that you seem to think are out there.

Telling someone that the retention of their salvation is based upon their own faithfulness, that's a false gospel that absolutely is not in force today.

What now?

MM
It is like you have said. What is the obedience list? What is the works list? God deals in absolutes, objective truth not some subjective "list."

Knowing Gods character and nature, one would know that salvation cannot be lost........If it could be lost, He would have unambiguous language telling us so.....Like he does with eternal security.

Never perish. Nothing can separate us from His love. We are born of imperishable seed. We have eternal life. No condemnation. We are His sheep.

We all know the sky is blue, but the loss of salvation crowd tries to convince us it may be puke green and yellow.
 
Consider his input about the language

I did, and as you noted "other translations that 'pick up the future active ind," and I tried to go look into it but, for whatever reason, the website I use as a study tool is "not responding," and the browser has been giving me trouble lately trying to read any article in general.
There must be gremlins trying to help me in their own strange way, I guess.
 
I did, and as you noted "other translations that 'pick up the future active ind," and I tried to go look into it but, for whatever reason, the website I use as a study tool is "not responding," and the browser has been giving me trouble lately trying to read any article in general.
There must be gremlins trying to help me in their own strange way, I guess.

There is a textual variant in spelling - some say imperative vs some future.
 
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I do so believe you've just rescinded on what you posted to me
which caused me to give you one of these:

animated-jumping-smiley-image-0031.gif



You are one confused dude Dan.

Look and pay need to what you just posted above to PennEd in post no. 7286:

"Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (Romans 3:22-26; 4:5-6) No supplements needed."


After reading the above, could you confirm that you meant what you wrote?
You stated that BELIEVERS NEED ONLY Christ's finished work of redemption to save them.

BELIEVERS....
Which means that they are ALREADY SAVED
you are NOT referring to salvation/justification

but to sanctification.

When I gave you the joyful emoji,,,it was my understnding that you were stating that you
were referring to NON-BELIEVERS and HOW to become saved.
BY FAITH ONLY.

The above is stating that BELIEVERS ONLY NEED Christ's work of redemption to save THEM....BELIEVERS.
So you ARE addressing SANCTIFICATION.
Sanctificaiton is NOT bey FAITH ONLY, but by obeying God.

You do like to create confusion.

One moment you say works are not necessary to REMAIN SAVED.
The next moment you agree that works are good to REMAIN SAVED.
Then you regress and state that works are not necessary TO REMAIN SAVED.


What confusion!

Let me be absolutely clear on what the NT teaches:

AFTER we become saved
WE MUST OBEY GOD.
WE MUST OBEY EVERY COMMAND OF JESUS.

or
WE WILL MOST DEFINITELY BECOME AS LOST AS WE WERE BEFORE SALVATION.
WHY?
BECAUSE GO DEMANDS OBEDIENCE...

Those who do not believe what the NT clearly teaches...
are certainly confused.

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Tim 4:10

Salvation is two fold.

Salvation of the Lost. - John 3:16.

And, the most misunderstood, next phase salvation for the saved...
The salvation of the soul.
 
Salvation is two fold.

First- Salvation of the Lost. - John 3:16.

And, the most misunderstood part of salvation.

And, it is only to be secured by those already saved...

The salvation of our soul!

Who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation
that is ready to be revealed in the last time. In all this you greatly rejoice, though
now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.
These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth
than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory
and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you have not seen him, you love him;
and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an
inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation
of your souls.
1 Peter 1:5-9​
.
 
So, then, what does the reader go on other than their own convictions about which reading is correct?
Same word used in verse 15 as verse 23. Only difference is one is second person plural and one is third person singular. Both uses are future active indicative. You also have to look at v21.

The “must do” is love Him. Following His commandments is a result of the “must do”.
 
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