Loss of salvation???

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Then I wouldn't have to explain it to you.

Also this is getting boring. Go on ahead and lie to God - tell Him you love Him while you don't obey Him.





If you're offended go ahead and tell Jesus. He's not going to do anything to me. You act like He hasn't seen any of this thread!


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You are accusing me of not obeying God.

Wow oh wow.
It's getting boring because you are lieing and have been challenged.

You won't answer my questions above because you lied about what I said.

Where did I say "supposedly"

You lied and are now to get,out of it.

Shame on you.
I love God and want to be like Jesus and you know that.

You?
Well I'm not going to be like you and judge people, that I don't know even know like you do.

God will do that.
 
Seems like @2ndTimeIsTheCharm likes to lie about what people have said and posted and accuse them of not lovig God and wanting to be like Jesus

Catch him/her out and they accuse you of not loving God, not directly but by things like the following said to me earlier

Then I wouldn't have to explain it to you.

Also this is getting boring. Go on ahead and lie to God - tell Him you love Him while you don't obey Him.

Mmm
 
Toknow said:
If you do not run....
Your stamina dies not improve.
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Technically that’s not true. You could bike to improve your stamina. You could also follow God’s commandments for self-benefit or to impress others instead of out of love. The whole point of the analogy is that keeping His commandments comes naturally from loving Him. Same with my wife. Me doing things to please her naturally comes from me loving her. I don’t do things for her expecting something in return.

One more analogy from a good movie: If you build it they will come.
 
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Toknow said:
You love God so much that you teach that it's not even necessary to obey Him unless you want to, of course.
It's sweet that you want to...
one day you'll understand that we have to.

James 3:1
1Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
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Obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10) You really should heed James 3:1.
 
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BillG said:
Seems like @2ndTimeIsTheCharm likes to lie about what people have said and posted and accuse them of not lovig God and wanting to be like Jesus

Catch him/her out and they accuse you of not loving God, not directly but by things like the following said to me earlier

Then I wouldn't have to explain it to you.

Also this is getting boring. Go on ahead and lie to God - tell Him you love Him while you don't obey Him.

Mmm
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Rounding up everyone against me means nothing.

I'll have what? All the people like you disapprove of me? So what?

I don't want to be like you or be part of your like-minded group. I don't want your influence of just giving God lip service, saying you love Him but not really obeying Him at all.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
If you're offended go ahead and tell Jesus. He's not going to do anything to me. You act like He hasn't seen any of this thread!
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I’m not offended at all but I am a little confused now. You said we must follow His commandments but you lied. now you’re saying He’s not going to do anything to you. So your logic is we don’t have to follow the one about not lying but we must follow the rest?
 
mailmandan said:
Who appointed you as judge?
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I get to choose what influences me just as Jesus would want me to.

I like obeying God and don't want the influence of people who say I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. They don't even know me like Jesus does.

I'm going to keep obeying Him.


Just_A__Follower said:
I’m not offended at all but I am a little confused now. You said we must follow His commandments but you lied. now you’re saying He’s not going to do anything to you. So your logic is we don’t have to follow the one about not lying but we must follow the rest?
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Go ahead and tell Jesus that since you think I've wronged you. You still act like He doesn't see what is in your heart and mind when you write in this thread.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
I get to choose what influences me just as Jesus would want me to.

I like obeying God and don't want the influence of people who say I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. They don't even know me like Jesus does.

I'm going to keep obeying Him.

Go ahead and tell Jesus that since you think I've wronged you. You still act like He doesn't see what is in your heart and mind when you write in this thread.

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Only Jesus can infallibly judge our hearts.
 
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Just_A__Follower said:
So there’s not a list of rules that we must follow? Or a set number of how many rules we can break before “else” happens?
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You don'r know what obeying God is like do you?


Just_A__Follower said:
Does it please you when someone does something for you only so they get something in return? Feels hollow to me when that happens.
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That's how you see things? That's your problem, not mine.


This is boring. I'll jump back into the thread when it's actually interesting.


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studier said:
Can you pinpoint your concern? Was it in the list you responded to? That list mainly related to initial faith-obedience. We can expand it to include living in faith-obedience.
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I didn't see any flaws in the this, so we must be viewing it from different vantage points.
You are standing where you "no longer see the loss of faith as an impossibility" and I'm standing where, once one is enlightened, it then is. Perhaps you are working from an assumption mined from heb 6:4-6 which I view as a hypothetical unicorn that I has alluded to earlier, as I also see mk 13:22 and mt 24:24, seeing that the grammar is 'if it 'were' possible' which is indicative of an impossibility. Jesus used the same language in mk 14:35 in asking that His cup be taken from Him. Theoretically, sure it was possible, as all things are possible notwithstanding that the qualifier of that is "with God."

Maybe a better analogy of faith/obedience would be, instead of a given a lifejacket, the faithful are given wings with which to navigate through the world. Faith isn't anything one could just 'unstrap' and cast aside, without eliminating the possibility of doubting if they'd carry them high enough above the present storm. In the face of that doubt, one would have to find themselves exercising them in spite of the doubt, in obeisance of the authority of Him that told you that those wings are sound and perfectly equipped to save in/from falling.
 
Toknow said:
This is not the first time you've ASSUMED something about me.
I've asked you to please not do this.

I don't have a pastor...which by your tone, would be some man that I listen to and obey.

I listen to Jesus.
I hear Jesus.

His words are written in red and we should all proclaim that it is our duty to obey His words.

And I also resent the attitude that I need to be educated.
I've already said to you another time that this is most demeaning and does not take into consideration
the fact that perhaps YOU need the educating.




As you know I believe there is only one gospel.
Jesus also said He has other sheep.


Did He give THEM different teachings?

Galatians 1:6-9
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you [c]by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel [d]contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be [e]accursed!
9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel [f]contrary to what you received, he is to be [g]accursed!





Again,,,A "Christian" person stating that it's OK to disobey Jesus.

I do wonder by what commandments you are living by....

But it really is of no interest to me.

What does interest me is odd Christian ideology...
and how some cheapen the death of Christ.
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Well, I have to say that the red letter phenomenon is pure nonsense. ALL of scripture is inspired and God-breathed, not just the red letters. The difference is that not all of it applies to us, and you're among those who fail to differentiate that properly.

MM
 
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Musicmaster said:
Well, I have to say that the red letter phenomenon is pure nonsense. ALL of scripture is inspired and God-breathed, not just the red letters. The difference is that not all of it applies to us, and you're among those who fail to differentiate that properly.

MM
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I distinctively recall encountering a version that featured red letters in the OT as well as the NT and wishing that I had a copy. Some see the law in the NT but seem to miss the grace which carried the faithful all throughout the OT.
 
The Kingdom Gospel program has this within the teachings under that gospel:

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

So, them falling away there was no second sacrifice for them. Additionally, never once did Jesus nor the twelve ever tell those under the Kingdom Gospel that they were sealed by Holy Spirit as an earnest of their salvation as we are promised today.

Also:

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It doesn't say WILL have or has had, but currently possessed everlasting life. That was under the Kingdom Gospel, not the Gospel of Grace.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 10:27-29
27 My sheep [Israel] hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

What does all this mean?

In summary, we can see here that they had to have endurance unto the end to be saved, not able to be once again restored unto repentance, thus putting Christ to a second shame. Those who were under the Kingdom program didn't get saved because they endured. They endured because they had faith. THAT is the basis for eternal salvation under the Kingdom Gospel program, which is different than for today.

MM
 
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