For by the instrumentality of one Spirit are we all . . .
once and for all . . . baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles,
whether we be bond or free;
and, have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13
Loss of salvation???
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Titus 3:1-7
1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
So, it's not water baptism that we can do, nor even working with that so-called "mother Teresa" for the infirmed and poor of India, none of that will have ever sufficed for anyone who places their faith in any thing they have ever done. It's always been on the basis of faith, with the only difference among the various dispensations is that at times the Lord required obedience to the Mosaic Law as one's justifying demonstration for the faith they had.
Can you imagine Israel telling Moses, "Hey, we choose to follow God rather than you. We don't want to give the appearance of worshipping you, Moses..." Such blunders are being made today by those who reject Paul to the extent that they dare claim he only did the same things as the twelve, even though he refused to preach the same gospel as they preached, and that was played out in living color in Acts 15 with the twelve deciding that ONLY four things were beholden upon the body of Christ under Paul's ministry. Some refuse to accept that there was a difference...many differences if we count the other remaining 630+ items of the Mosaic Law that the counsel in Jerusalem did not even attempt to place upon the Gentiles.
One will search in vain where Peter or any of the counsel in Jerusalem stated even once that the Gentiles must also be baptized with water for the remission of sins...but, folks will believe what they've been taught by their pastors, Sunday school teachers, parents, bible study group-think meetings, et al.
Good luck with that...
As for me, the Blood of Christ is more than sufficient for my sins given that the sufficiency of His Blood is powerful enough to save ALL of mankind from far more sins than I could commit in one lifetime.
MM
1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
So, it's not water baptism that we can do, nor even working with that so-called "mother Teresa" for the infirmed and poor of India, none of that will have ever sufficed for anyone who places their faith in any thing they have ever done. It's always been on the basis of faith, with the only difference among the various dispensations is that at times the Lord required obedience to the Mosaic Law as one's justifying demonstration for the faith they had.
Can you imagine Israel telling Moses, "Hey, we choose to follow God rather than you. We don't want to give the appearance of worshipping you, Moses..." Such blunders are being made today by those who reject Paul to the extent that they dare claim he only did the same things as the twelve, even though he refused to preach the same gospel as they preached, and that was played out in living color in Acts 15 with the twelve deciding that ONLY four things were beholden upon the body of Christ under Paul's ministry. Some refuse to accept that there was a difference...many differences if we count the other remaining 630+ items of the Mosaic Law that the counsel in Jerusalem did not even attempt to place upon the Gentiles.
One will search in vain where Peter or any of the counsel in Jerusalem stated even once that the Gentiles must also be baptized with water for the remission of sins...but, folks will believe what they've been taught by their pastors, Sunday school teachers, parents, bible study group-think meetings, et al.
Good luck with that...
As for me, the Blood of Christ is more than sufficient for my sins given that the sufficiency of His Blood is powerful enough to save ALL of mankind from far more sins than I could commit in one lifetime.
MM
When I share HIS word on how to be reborn, Acts 2:38, John 3:5 what am I doing that is incorrect?
No insultes just answer the question.
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless
they are born of water and the Spirit.
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless
they are born of water and the Spirit.
You ask what you are doing incorrect?
Is forgetting the last ten times some of us explained this to you.
So, why should someone try again?
You have proven that you will keep forgetting.....
You negate the blood of the lamb and make water more powerful than his death.
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
LOL, without the blood water would have no effect.
Have you seen the verse on how we get rid of our sins?
We sure don't have HIS blood, but we sure do have water!
What do you think we have to do to remove our sins?
Are you going to tell me again, there is nothing we can do?
Good question. I've been asking that of the salvation loss gang for some years now and still have yet to get an answer from scripture that is even close to the point of rightly divided word of truth. There are LOTS of opinions out there, but none of them point to any relevant scripture having to do with the modern body of Christ without it becoming works-based salvation.
MM
You just don't get it. The water has no effect. The blood has effect because we are baptized into His death. That requires the power of the Spirit. There is no power in water.
"If we say that we have not sinned,
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. "
1 John 1:10
we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. "
1 John 1:10
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What rubbish. Jesus will judge my works but not according to a set of rules. He will look at whether my works were of self or according to the leading of the Spirit. What is of self will be consumed. What is not will survive the test and be my heavenly reward.
I am predestined, justified and glorified right now. I died and my life is hidden in Christ in God. It's Christ in me that is my hope in glory. Your hope is in how well you obey God's rules in this life. My hope is in Christ.
No, grace is not a licence to sin. No one who is born again loves sin. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Just remember that. God also judges you as you judge others. Have fun with that thought.
Yet, John the Baptist water baptized before the blood took place...
If you have never came into the full understanding of Christ, then you can't backslide. The
2 Peter 3:4,7
[4]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[7]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But remember Matthew 25:14-30.
He said the Comforter would come for a reason and that we wouldn't only repent and go through water baptism. But his fire baptism, which is the way to life. As Jesus is salvation.
John 5:26
[26]For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.
And he conquered sin by fulfilling the law and obeying God. Therefore, we must gullible his commandments and obey him. He was made a son after he obeyed and God said he was well pleased. Therefore we are to work towards perfection of his commandments. Not just believe and hold them. Work our faith.
J
James456
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Many, in effect believe they will be judged according to whether they do not smoke, use foul language, drink in excess(or at all) do not have sexual relations outside of marriage, speak politely, go to church, tithe, invite people from the church into their homes for a meal, do work for the church, earn an honest wage, and support a family(if they are married) read their bibles intently and pray. But the pharisees of Jesus day would have passed all those tests with flying colours, but Jesus said they did not even know his Father.
GOD DOES NOT PLAY GAMES, HE loves us but gave us a whole book of insturctions to follow.
It may be different for different people as we are all diffferent.
I will bet 99% of people here will not agree with MY THOUGHTS on the subject, and I can't say when we will. I do know that we for sure can.
The closer I am getting to JESUS the more HE is putting this same subject in my mind as I wonder if I died right now would I go to Heaven.
As you can see the problem, I sure do not agree with the once saved always saved people, I bet that's 75%.
Since sin will not enter Heaen if we have sin on us we will be lost.
After we are reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS fills us with HIS spirit. John 3:5, Acts 2:38.
I bet 90% of people on this sight will not even accept how to be reborn, if not reborn why even think on how to say reborn.
After we have been reborn, all we need to do is repent and confess those sins to JESUS and HE will forgive us.
Lets look at 1 John 1:8-10
King James Version
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
We will always sin, it does not have to be an action just a thought.
A thought is what causes the action, so if something wrong pops in our mind we need to cast it out then and repent and confess that sin at that sceond.
Matthew 5:29-30
King James Version
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
What do you think JESUS is telling us here?
If I keep looking at things that I sould not it would be better to pluck out my eyes than go to Hell.
Not sure my HE is referintg to with my right hand, since most people are right handed or what but better to cut if off not to sin.
GOD IS NO JOKE, HE is Holy if we have the same Holy Ghost that JESUS gave HIS discples throught that Holy Ghost we have the abilty to fight off sin.
So you decide when we lose our salavation.
This was my response to you,
LOL, without the blood water would have no effect.
Have you seen the verse on how we get rid of our sins?
We sure don't have HIS blood, but we sure do have water!
What do you think we have to do to remove our sins?
Are you going to tell me again, there is nothing we can do?
And you say this,
"You just don't get it. The water has no effect. The blood has effect because we are baptized into His death. That requires the power of the Spirit. There is no power in water."
I asked YOU how do we get rid of our sins???
YOUR CLOSE, look at your reply, CAN YOU EXPOND ON IT PLEASE?
How do we get baptized into His death?
Can you tell me what you mean how the power of the spirit gets us baptized into His death is that what you are claming???
Be great if you could use scripture to back up that one.
Sorry not rubbish, JESUS will be judging the lost with HIS rule book.
We have HIS word to read, and like myself am on this sight to plant those seeds.
No one will be without excuse.
After we have been reborn JESUS will be juding us by our works, but how would we know what to do without HIS rule book?