Loss of salvation???

[Undergrace1]

Agreed.

That Paul was a wise guy:

If you love someone enough you'll carry a heavy load of theirs not one mile but two
If you love someone enough, you'll lend to them without ever expecting anything back
If you love someone who steals from you enough, you'll offer them more than what they stole
If you love the poor, blind lame and beggars enough, you'll invite them home for a meal
Etc

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Those verses, when JESUS was a human he was talking to HIMSELF.

You never explained John 3:13!

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

What are your there gods names?

Why did JESUS disciples baptize in JESUS name?

I see you didn’t quite me saying what you accused me of saying.

So you’re gonna go with the identity issue option? Jesus called Himself His Son while also descending onto Himself like a bird.

I explained John 3:13 to you but you seem to think that the original texts are wrong and the KJV is the only true Bible in the world.

Stalemate.

 

[Toknow]

Where is Scripture is the list of sins that lead to a lose of salvation and sins that do not?

I don't know if the other member is still here.
But he has given you scripture that shows that salvation can be forfeited.

if the list is Paul's letter will cause some to be lost forever...
The same list will cause any believer that engages in these actions to also be lost.

Jesus said He would save us.
He did NOT say we could continue sinning and STILL be saved.

 

[Wansvic]

The Spirit falling on the disciples happens in Acts 2:3. And something similar was what happened at Cornelius' house. There would be no way Peter could have seen the Spirit filling them.

Speaking in tongues was the evidence that the Holy Ghost had arrived inside the individuals.

Peter specifically stated what the people were hearing initially at Pentecost is what Joel prophesied about; the pouring out of God's Spirit: "THIS IS THAT" Tongues was proof of the experience having occurred.


"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance....
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

But THIS IS THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Acts 2:12-18

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:12-18, 32-33

 

[Howdy]

I don't know if the other member is still here.
But he has given you scripture that shows that salvation can be forfeited.

if the list is Paul's letter will cause some to be lost forever...
The same list will cause any believer that engages in these actions to also be lost.

Jesus said He would save us.
He did NOT say we could continue sinning and STILL be saved.

If all sin does not lead to a loss of salvation, than does God just over look some sins?
Have you ever lost your salvation?

 

[Toknow]

That Paul was a wise guy:

If you love someone enough you'll carry a heavy load of theirs not one mile but two
If you love someone enough, you'll lend to them without ever expecting anything back
If you love someone who steals from you enough, you'll offer them more than what they stole
If you love the poor, blind lame and beggars enough, you'll invite them home for a meal
Etc

Basically, you're quoting the two great commandments: (which cover all the rest)

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the great and [o]foremost commandment.
39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

 

[Just_A__Follower]

So if I give a guy 10 dollars in a hat he has put on the sidewalk...
I'm being SELFISH??

So it's better if I DO NOT give him the 10$ ??

Isn't it more selfish if i KEEP the 10$ for myself??




You just referred to giving to the poor AFTER salvation...

so how could it be being done to GAIN salvation??


[QUOTEThe works are the fruit of salvation. The works didn’t contribute to the salvation. An inheritance can’t be earned. Inheritance comes through the relationship of being a son or daughter to a parent. Paul is addressing those who are already saved and belong to Christ. Paul is giving them motivation to live the way God wants us to.

Yes. There's a major misunderstanding here and it's really late here.

If you reply, I'll be happy to reply tomorrow.

I NEVER said works save a person.[/QUOTE]
As I said intention matters. If done for the Lord it is good. If done for oneself it is bad. And yes there are people, many of them that only do good because they think it will bring them salvation. That’s the whole problem with faith+works. The works are done for selfish reason therefore cancelling them from being good works.
Have a nice night.

 

[Undergrace1]

Basically, you're quoting the two great commandments: (which cover all the rest)

Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the great and [o]foremost commandment.
39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

When my mother whom I dearly loved was diagnosed terminally ill with cancer, my wife and I went to look after her in her home. Before the illness progressed I used to take my mother to see her friends, and bring her friends to see her. I would take her out to her favourite places. Nothing was too much to do for her. I laid aside my own wants and desires. My happiness and joy was seeing my mother happy in the time she had left to live. One evening I stood outside my mother’s bungalow, pondering the fact I was living closer to the biblical ideal than I had ever previously done. And, I did not covet what was my mothers, I did not lie about her, want to steal from her, I honoured her. In fact, where God’s laws were concerned I was obeying them all where my mother was concerned. Did I have to look to a list of laws in the ten commandments and strive to obey them where my mother was concerned? No! I never once thought of them during that time. So why was I obeying them? Because I loved my mother dearly. Love really does fulfil the law.

 

[Toknow]

If all sin does not lead to a loss of salvation, than does God just over look some sins?
Have you ever lost your salvation?

John expained it this way:

1 John 3:9
9 No one who is [a]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [b]born of God.

We all will sin.
We should not PRACTICE sin.

Living a life of sin is falling away from faith.

1 Timothy 4.1
1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

 

[Cameron143]

Speaking in tongues was the evidence that the Holy Ghost had arrived inside the individuals.

Peter specifically stated what the people were hearing initially at Pentecost is what Joel prophesied about; the pouring out of God's Spirit: "THIS IS THAT" Tongues was proof of the experience having occurred.


"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance....
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

But THIS IS THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:" Acts 2:12-18

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:12-18, 32-33

No it wasn't. It was only evidence that the Holy Spirit had fallen on them. No where in Acts 10 does it say anyone was filled with the Spirit.

You might take a closer look at Joel 2. No where does it say the Spirit indwells or fills anyone. It says the Spirit is poured out upon them.

You are conflating filling with pouring out upon and falling upon. 2 separate operations of the Spirit and performed by different members of the Godhead. The promise of Joel 2 is the outpouring of the Spirit. No mention of the filling or indwelling of the Spirit. The indwelling of the Spirit is found in Ezekiel among other places.

 

[Toknow]

Yes. There's a major misunderstanding here and it's really late here.

If you reply, I'll be happy to reply tomorrow.

I NEVER said works save a person.
As I said intention matters. If done for the Lord it is good. If done for oneself it is bad. And yes there are people, many of them that only do good because they think it will bring them salvation. That’s the whole problem with faith+works. The works are done for selfish reason therefore cancelling them from being good works.
Have a nice night.

J
I've never come across a person on these Forums that states that they're doing good works to obtain salvation.

Just the opposite....

I come across those that tell me their good works are as filthy rags...
and your reply to this made no sense to me BTW,,,I did bring this up in a previous post.

'night

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You missed it in one of my posts to you.
No problem...
here it is:

What's at issue here is the statement that we must obey Jesus.
Please explain how that could possibly be debated...

I would just leave out the word “must” and replace it with “we desire to”

 

[Howdy]

John expained it this way:

1 John 3:9
9 No one who is [a]born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is [b]born of God.

We all will sin.
We should not PRACTICE sin.

Living a life of sin is falling away from faith.

1 Timothy 4.1
1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

How do you define practicing sin?

 

[Toknow]

When my mother whom I dearly loved was diagnosed terminally ill with cancer, my wife and I went to look after her in her home. Before the illness progressed I used to take my mother to see her friends, and bring her friends to see her. I would take her out to her favourite places. Nothing was too much to do for her. I laid aside my own wants and desires. My happiness and joy was seeing my mother happy in the time she had left to live. One evening I stood outside my mother’s bungalow, pondering the fact I was living closer to the biblical ideal than I had ever previously done. And, I did not covet what was my mothers, I did not lie about her, want to steal from her, I honoured her. In fact, where God’s laws were concerned I was obeying them all where my mother was concerned. Did I have to look to a list of laws in the ten commandments and strive to obey them where my mother was concerned? No! I never once thought of them during that time. So why was I obeying them? Because I loved my mother dearly. Love really does fulfil the law.

Amen dear brother.
And that's as it should be.
You did good...
You not only loved your mother...
you honored her.

 

[Toknow]

I would just leave out the word “must” and replace it with “we desire to”

LOL
No sir.

"we desire to" is nice and i know and agree that we desire to.

Problem is that God gives commands and not suggestions.

The word MUST will remain.

 

[Toknow]

How do you define practicing sin?

John explained it.
In 1 John 1 chapter 1 he states that if we sin we have an advocate with the Father and our sins will be forgiven.

Practicing sin means we have no sorrow for our sinning.
It means we are do whatever it is constantly with no sorrow and no asking forgiveness.
It means we are not trying to please God but just carry on as if He didn't exist ---

I believe sorrow is the biggest component ...
the lack of sorrow.

 

[Kroogz]

So you do NOT DO good works (as Jesus commanded that you do)
because you worry that you might BOAST about them?

Is this what you do Kroogz?
You do a good deed and then you boast about it.

And you should learn the difference between a FRUIT of the Spirit
and the works of the Spirit.

Make sure you undersand what JESUS taught and not what anyone on this thread is teaching...
including me. Find out for yourself by carefully reading the words in red in your bible.

You are a machine. A machine made from your theory.......Sorry that you cannot act in Gods plans for your life.

You act in a theory. A theology......Not in a relationship...........Work it, work it and work it buddy. It will not work out for you.

 

[Genez]

The above sounds dangerously close to easy believism and cheap grace.
Not terms I made up but that have meaning.

Sounds very much like sola fide.

And it seems to me that some members on here are dancing around this subject instead of facing it head-on.

Easy believism?
You mean we are to work hard for salvation?

 

[Toknow]

You are a machine. A machine made from your theory.......Sorry that you cannot act in Gods plans for your life.

You act in a theory. A theology......Not in a relationship...........Work it, work it and work it buddy. It will not work out for you.

I'm not a buddy.
And you are not my judge.

And you are free to believe what you wish to believe..
whether it be biblical or not.

 

[Toknow]

Easy believism?
You mean we are to work hard for salvation?

Had enough nonsense for this evening Genez.

I'm already saved...
I don't have to work for it.

Works do not save.
Obeying Jesus does.

good night.