Loss of salvation???
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The Reformed add criteria?
But I thought God predestined it all?
And how come you're still here
but I have to wait till the morning?
You're a sneaky one.
They all come from the same place ... Faith.
Before salvation - the faith of Christ
After salvation - the faith we are given as we trust in the Christ.
Second line is not about about the Reformed Clan... it is in referenceto the Maintain Your Salvation Clan.
Yeah I gotta go I have work to do.
I said you either believe that Jesus had identity issues or you believed in 3 gods. I supplied verses and you refused to explain them as to how they make sense without the trinity. I mean if you have the truth and love others, would you not want to explain to them the truth?
People do good works even before salvation.
A good work is just doing something that is good and not evil.
it could be giving the cashier a smile.
It's even making dinner for the family.
Problem is that BEFORE salvation good works count for other persons, in some way or other,
but they don't count for God ...... for our salvation.
AFTER salvation, our good works are counted as righteousness (being right with God)
because we are obeying the One in whom we believe...
we are doing what He taught us to do through His word and through the Apostles teachings.
So now we do everything for God...as scripture teaches...and this is pleasing to God.
Asking how many good works are necessary
Stating that if we're not perfect it won't matter
are strawmen and do not contribute to the correct understanding of what our faith teaches.
I don't understand why obedience to Jesus must be debated.
You said JESUS has identity issues!!
I also gave you verse to prove JESUS is GOD.
What are your three gods names?
Precious friend, appreciate your respect. I guess...
...it could have been a bad work on my behalf, for which, In
Eternal [ "Grace Through faith" ] Life, I will probably "suffer loss for wood, hay, stubble"
At The Judgment Seat Of Christ.
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These may be helpful for the discussion of "which Commands" we should "be obeying", eh?
I have decided to follow Jesus?
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Agreement With The Gospel?
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
The good works/deeds we do before salvation come from our faith?
OOOOOK.
So we have faith BEFORE salvation?
Are you reformed?
Please quote where I said Jesus had identity issues.
Did I ever say Jesus is not God?
The ONE GOD(singular) is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Are you always this difficult to have a discussion with? I’m still waiting on you to explain those verses. There’re in post #5,796
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Undergrace1
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I say good works are impossible before salvation because it is the intention behind those works that matter. Sure I can give money to someone before I am saved. From an external view that seems to be good. But why am I doing it? Am I doing for God? No. For the most part people attempt to do good on their own to make themselves feel better. It does feel good to help others. Before salvation we do good out of selfish intentions.
Whew!
So....
Which of Jesus' commands do you believe we are supposed to NOT obey?
Ignore...
make believe they don't exist....
Was jesus just speaking to make a noise?
Did He mean what He taught?
Yes sir....
We're SUPPOSED to obey them all.
God is not joking with us.
And if you're going to post back as to.
1. How MANY do we need to obey to be saved
or
2. Am I perfect...
Please don't even respond.
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Undergrace1
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Well if we're referring to Christ's commands in the gospels yes, I assumed that is what the statement related to
I do believe I said exactly the same.
The money you gave to that someone BEFORE salvation helped THAT PERSON
but did not contribute to your salvation without faith being present.
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Undergrace1
Guest
OK, so if someone asked to lend from you, you'd happily lend to them without ever expecting anything back
You don't invite friends or family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars so you may receive your reward in Heaven
If someone stole from you, you'd gladly give them more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them
If you are persecuted you leap for joy.
If you have ever fasted, you've ensured no one knows you are fasting
You truly in your heart love your enemies, those who may malign, harrass or persecute you.
BTW
I did not say they should be ignored.
I've only given you a few samples