Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"
- Thread starter MyrtleTrees
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Id argue that you have a gnostic understanding of that verse lol
Did Paul say the things of the Spirit cannot be known by the natural man? I thought I saw that there in that verse.
How about ' the things ' ? then read verse 6 and 15 .And the beginning of chapter 3 . Miss that and you will struggle to unsee the calvinistic interpretation
Ask yourself what ' the things ' Are ? because it says in verse 6 what they are .
After we believe . Not before The calvinist claim is that the natural man is a unregenerated person who cannot believe the Gospel.
Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but the Father has revealed it.
Unto you is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but to them it is not given.
I thank you Father that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them to babes
Unto you is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom, but to them it is not given.
I thank you Father that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them to babes
So the regenerate do have knowledge that the unregenerate cannot know ( until they be regenerated? ). There is knowledge that a spiritual man possesses that a natural man cannot possess?
Because you called this concept gnostic earlier.
Are these ' Chosen ones ' Chosen before the foundation of the world and at the right time are awakened ?
But it is knowledge held only by the regenerate. And in post 473, you insinuated that was a gnostic concept. So you’re definitely painting with a very broad brush, and are going way outside the lines.
You said that the concept of having knowledge that others cannot have in their natural state is gnostic. Yet Paul said the spiritual man holds knowledge that the natural man cannot know or discern
So either you are wrong or Paul is a gnostic.
That’s not what you said in 473. You’re moving goalposts again.
God doesn’t elect people who will never believe the Gospel, so the answer is no.