Looking forward to the cross?

[homwardbound]

Abraham, being the great great great Grandson of Noah and the great great great great great great Grandson of Enoch saw the Garden and humanity being restored through the coming Yeshua.

Revealed to him by God, yes, many saw and looked forward to the day the Messiah would come ( Hebrews 11)and make things right, yet they did not understand or know the cross of Son and his resurrection, just looked forward to the Messiah to set all things straight, where salvation is at for all who decide to believe God over the self and all others too, thank you, it is personal for every person between God and them too, thank you
As I see you see this truth too , thanks

 

[homwardbound]

I totally disagree. Take David as an example. David was a prophet Acts 2:30 who had the Spirit of Christ in him 1 Peter 1:11, and he foretold of Christ's crucifixion in Psalm 22. In Acts 2:29-31, Peter said that David knew that God had sworn with an oath to him that his seed, who is Jesus, would sit upon his throne, and he foresaw Christ's resurrection from the dead, and wrote about it in Psalm 16:8-11. David also called Jesus "Lord" while foretelling of his ascension back to the Father's right hand in Psalm 110:1. He also foretold of Christ's glorification in Psalm 8:4-6 as is proven in Hebrews 2:5-9. With these things in mind, do you really expect me to believe that David knew nothing of Christ's crucifixion, burial, resurrection, ascension, and glorification? I'm not buying it. The guy in the video spoke foolishly, and judging by the smirk on his face and several things that he said, he did so out of pride.

okay, as we each continue to grow up into maturity, not that I am mature, I'm not, God is, I trust and see Hebrews 5:12- 6:3

 

[homwardbound]

God has restraints. Satan can only do what God allows.

Proven to me in Job 1

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Sure, but he didn't see that happen. Something else must be in view.

Your taking it too literally , “ Abraham saw my day and rejoiced “ is a reference to the gospel , Abraham’s promised inheritance by which he would become father of many nations he was looking forward to it believing …..

Not literally looking at it but looking by faith in what God told him ….


“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham was told by God about the gospel and when his seed would bless the nations . Even though Abraham didint lie to see it happen he died believing and looking no tears to what God said to him . Eyes of faith see the things God promises

 

[homwardbound]

Your taking it too literally , “ Abraham saw my day and rejoiced “ is a reference to the gospel , Abraham’s promised inheritance by which he would become father of many nations he was looking forward to it believing …..

Not literally looking at it but looking by faith in what God told him ….


“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abraham was told by God about the gospel and when his seed would bless the nations . Even though Abraham didint lie to see it happen he died believing and looking no tears to what God said to him . Eyes of faith see the things God promises

Wow!, thank you

 

[John146]

Satan would not have allowed it? In case you haven't heard, God is in control, not Satan.

God was going to initiate the cross to crucify his only begotten Son? Nope. Satan initiated the cross. He's been out to destroy the seed since Genesis 3:15.

 

[John146]

Abel was justified by faith after offering the firstlings of his flock as a sacrifice. What was he putting his faith in if not the coming sacrifice of Jesus that his offering foreshadowed?

Abel offered a lamb by faith as a sacrifice because that's what God told them to do. Faith is not blind. Faith come by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

 

[John146]

Hebrews 11:

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.


... and when we read the record in Gen 22 ...

Genesis 22:

4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.

Isaac is the seed through whom Abraham believed God would bless all the nations of the world ... the seed through whom Abraham would become "the father of many nations" (Gen 17:4-5). Interesting that for 3 days, Abraham had in mind that Isaac would be sacrificed and God was able to raise up Isaac from the dead. That is the figure spoken of in Hebrews 11:19.


Isaac willingly obeyed Abraham:

Genesis 22:

7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.


And then:

Genesis 22:

13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

Jehovajireh = the Lord will provide.

wow wow wow.
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Amen to all those passages. After the cross, we can look back at the OT and see the figures and types.

 

[John146]

God has restraints. Satan can only do what God allows.

Agreed, God has allowed much of what goes on. God has allowed Satan to be the god of this world, the ruler of the darkness of this world.

 

[notmywillbuthine]

God was going to initiate the cross to crucify his only begotten Son? Nope.

Yes. Have you never read John 3:16?

Satan initiated the cross. He's been out to destroy the seed since Genesis 3:15.

Nope. Jesus was foreordained to be the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world. You really should try reading the Bible, and stop listening to nincompoops on YouTube.

Anyway, I asked to have my account deactivated a while ago, but I guess God wanted somebody to try to reason with you one more time.

 

[Cameron143]

God was going to initiate the cross to crucify his only begotten Son? Nope. Satan initiated the cross. He's been out to destroy the seed since Genesis 3:15.

In Acts 2:23 Peter says that Jesus was crucified by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God and by the wicked hands of men. No mention of Satan.

 

[Gideon300]

It does, at least in type, if we know where to look. In Galatians 3:13, Paul said that Christ was made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree, and that was written by Moses back in Deuteronomy 21:23. We know that the tree upon which Christ hung was the cross Acts 5:30, Acts 10:39, Acts 13:29, 1 Peter 2:24. As you said, Jesus quoted from Psalm 22:1 while he was hanging on the cross. In that psalm, we see descriptive language that speaks of death by crucifixion, like Jesus' bones being out of joint, and his hands and feet being pierced. In John 3:14, Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be lifted up as Moses lifted up the serpent on the pole in the wilderness in Numbers 21:8, and his lifting up referred to his crucifixion on the cross. These are just some examples where Christ's crucifixion was foreshadowed in the Old Testament.

Agreed. Obviously for some it is not clear enough. The question is, did those who received the prophecies understand what they were seeing. They did not see it fully, but I do believe they did have some knowledge of what was to come. S

God was going to initiate the cross to crucify his only begotten Son? Nope. Satan initiated the cross. He's been out to destroy the seed since Genesis 3:15.

Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. God knew that man would fall, and that His Son would have to die to save mankind. Initiate means to "cause (a process or action) to begin." (Oxford Dictionary). Satan had no idea what God would do. After all, the Satan's first rebellion resulted in the destruction of the world prior to Adam. Satan was thrown down to earth but still existed.

I don't know what was going through Satan's mind as he tempted Eve. I'm sure he knew that Adam and Eve were a threat to him - he was under their authority after all. Satan's pride would not allow him to be subject to another created being. God foreknew all this and had it all worked out. I think it is reasonable to say that God initiated the cross.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Amen to all those passages. After the cross, we can look back at the OT and see the figures and types.

right ... it's easy for us to look back and see all the prophetic Scripture which was fulfilled in the first coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Most of the prophecy of Scripture has been fulfilled. There is still prophecy which is yet future ... and when the fullness of time comes, will we look back and think ... oh, that's what God meant when He said(wrote) that? I'm thinking of the verse For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known (1 Cor 13:12).

Did believers back in OT time see through a glass darkly?

Look at Simeon (Luke 2:25-35) ... God had revealed to Simeon that he would not die before he saw Messiah. How long before Simeon saw Messiah had God revealed that to Simeon? Don't know, but once Simeon saw Him, he said he could depart in peace for he had seen Salvation.
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[reneweddaybyday]

The question is, did those who received the prophecies understand what they were seeing.

I'm not sure ... as I asked John146 ... did they see through a glass darkly like we do concerning prophecy in Scripture which has yet to be fulfilled? ... interesting ...
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[homwardbound]

God was going to initiate the cross to crucify his only begotten Son? Nope. Satan initiated the cross. He's been out to destroy the seed since Genesis 3:15.

Yet Father allowed it, to save us, those that believe this truth, he is risen where new life is given, not having to work for it anymore. Once given it by Father, no need to work once are given love and mercy for all also, not just self, one, anyone then, thanks Father and Son as Won for us all to be given new life in Daddy's, PaPa's, Father's, Spirit and Truth to do willingly the same love and mercy too, thank you
Wow, woe is me Isaiah6:1-7

 

[Gideon300]

I'm not sure ... as I asked John146 ... did they see through a glass darkly like we do concerning prophecy in Scripture which has yet to be fulfilled? ... interesting ...
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Hebrews 11:

13All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.” 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and in a sense, he did receive Isaac back from death.

"However, they saw them..........." So I disagree with the OP that disputes that the OT saints looked forward to the cross.

 

[DeanM]

Hebrews 11:

13All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.

17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son, 18even though God had said to him, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.” 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and in a sense, he did receive Isaac back from death.

"However, they saw them..........." So I disagree with the OP that disputes that the OT saints looked forward to the cross.

Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Noah and Moses I believe understood. As for the nation I doubt it. What Moses told them went by the wayside time and again and nobody believed Noah. As for the later prophets I think some or maybe all knew but we know what Israel did to the prophets.

 

[Gideon300]

Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Noah and Moses I believe understood. As for the nation I doubt it. What Moses told them went by the wayside time and again and nobody believed Noah. As for the later prophets I think some or maybe all knew but we know what Israel did to the prophets.

For sure. I understood the OP to mean that no one looked forward to the cross. I disagree. Israel as a nation was full of doubt and unbelief. But not so God's prophets and God's elites.

 

[John146]

Yes. Have you never read John 3:16?

John 3:16 has no mention of the cross. It has no mention of the death, burial, and resurrection for sins. We can read into John 3:16 with the knowledge we have now.

 

[John146]

Yes. Have you never read John 3:16?Nope. Jesus was foreordained to be the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world. You really should try reading the Bible, and stop listening to nincompoops on YouTube.

Anyway, I asked to have my account deactivated a while ago, but I guess God wanted somebody to try to reason with you one more time.

God the Father did not crucify his Son. God stepped out of the way so Satan would initiate the cross. Satan was trying to eliminate the promised seed before his head would be bruised. Little did he know, the cross would be the means of bruising his head.