Kingdom of God vs kingdom of Heaven

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Aerials1978

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What does that mean? Our cross?
That’s means a person has to deny themselves their fleshly worldly desires and follow Christ as a disciple. For the old things have passed away.
 

John146

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The Lord’s Prayer gives clear indication of such:
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:
“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.
Our Father - that's a Jewish thing. The Church prays in the name of Jesus.

Give us this day our daily bread - that's a reference to the earthly, physical kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of God is not meat and drink.
 
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Watch the video you will understand. Why it suffers violence...
Coz the children suffers tribulation for the kingdom.
This seems to be different.

Psalm 148:4
Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
 

UnoiAmarah

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According to ‘creatio ex nihilo’, there was no physical thing in existence before the expanse of space emerged was created Therefore one could conclude that the kingdom of God existed prior to the beginning of the heaven and the earth being created.

The term heaven in Genesis 1:1 refers to physical matter which emerged into existence while the term earth refers unto the physical body that resulted from its emergence. But if you don't believe me when I tell you about earthly things, then why should you believe me when I tell you about heavenly things.

But a brief narrative is that Genesis 1:1 the first heaven and earth, the second heaven and earth can be seen after the frozen waters that covered the earth in Genesis 1:2 began melting when God saw the light on being called the first day. As the radiant heat began melting the waters upon the earth the firmament was formed that covered the earth like a garment That firmament was called heaven.

The dry ground that appears as the water upon the earth formed the firmament was called the earth.

So when told thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, the kingdom of heaven is not paradise on earth, but amongst the many mansions that are in the expanse of the space above.
 

UnoiAmarah

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Heaven is a physical place.
It just isn't formed by matter having mass, but is full of matter with mass
 
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What can you say about the rapture is it the harvest or not?
The rapture takes place after the harvest. By after I mean zero time in between. When the last person on Earth enters in then the end will come. There are people who repent and are saved during the tribulation period.
 
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The word God and the word heaven cannot be used interchangeably. One is spiritual, the other is a physical, created place.
The kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing only different. The kingdom of heaven is the place God dwells; the kingdom of God is His person. The Holy of Holies which reveals both in type and shadow.

When Jesus was revealed He said... the kingdom of God is at hand.... Or that which has been concealed in heaven is revealed on earth. They are interchangeable; only one is concealed in heaven the other revealed first in Christ Jesus and by the Holy Breath in His people!

This is how God made Himself known to a people who could not see Him; thus the kingdom of heaven! When He finally arrived, He Himself proclaimed, the kingdom of God is at hand! And on and on.....
 
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The kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing only different. The kingdom of heaven is the place God dwells; the kingdom of God is His person. The Holy of Holies which reveals both in type and shadow.

When Jesus was revealed He said... the kingdom of God is at hand.... Or that which has been concealed in heaven is revealed on earth. They are interchangeable; only one is concealed in heaven the other revealed first in Christ Jesus and by the Holy Breath in His people!

This is how God made Himself known to a people who could not see Him; thus the kingdom of heaven! When He finally arrived, He Himself proclaimed, the kingdom of God is at hand! And on and on.....
What is your take on 1 cor 15 where it says he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God?

1 cor 15
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Our Father - that's a Jewish thing. The Church prays in the name of Jesus.

Give us this day our daily bread - that's a reference to the earthly, physical kingdom of heaven. The kingdom of God is not meat and drink.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 5:15
 

watcher2013

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The rapture takes place after the harvest. By after I mean zero time in between. When the last person on Earth enters in then the end will come. There are people who repent and are saved during the tribulation period.
Mat 13:39 KJV The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
 

John146

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The kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing only different. The kingdom of heaven is the place God dwells; the kingdom of God is His person. The Holy of Holies which reveals both in type and shadow.

When Jesus was revealed He said... the kingdom of God is at hand.... Or that which has been concealed in heaven is revealed on earth. They are interchangeable; only one is concealed in heaven the other revealed first in Christ Jesus and by the Holy Breath in His people!

This is how God made Himself known to a people who could not see Him; thus the kingdom of heaven! When He finally arrived, He Himself proclaimed, the kingdom of God is at hand! And on and on.....
The dwelling place of God suffers violence? Nope. It’s easy to see they are not the same.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
 

John146

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For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 5:15
Jesus is our mediator. We pray to Jesus, and He goes to the Father.
 
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The dwelling place of God suffers violence? Nope. It’s easy to see they are not the same.

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
I disagree, to old covenant Israel God and the place where He dwelt were the same. They did not know God in a personal way as you do; so it's not that big a deal to me. But I get what you're saying.🤪
 
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Mat 13:39 KJV The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

age, course, eternal, forever
From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future) -- age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare chronos.

see GREEK aei

see GREEK chronos
 

watcher2013

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age, course, eternal, forever
From the same as aei; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future) -- age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare chronos.

see GREEK aei

see GREEK chronos
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