Justified/Saved by Faith & Faith Alone
- Thread starter FlyingDove
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Apparently those 'alleged' wonderful good works were not so wonderful and good after all. Jesus said that he never knew these many people which means they were never saved. (Matthew 7:23) These many people failed to do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21) in obtaining salvation (John 6:40) and instead sought salvation by works. (Matthew 7:22)
-
2
- Show all
do you not know? have you not heard? 
They will be My people, and I will be their God.I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will always fear Me for their own good and for the good of their children after them.
I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never turn away from doing good to them, and I will put My fear in their hearts, so that they will never turn away from Me. (Jer 32:38-40)
it is God Himself Who knows us, and has saved us, Who prevents us from turning away from Him.
He knows we're prone to wander... yet even this is in His capable hands.
They will be My people, and I will be their God.I will give them one heart and one way, so that they will always fear Me for their own good and for the good of their children after them.
I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never turn away from doing good to them, and I will put My fear in their hearts, so that they will never turn away from Me. (Jer 32:38-40)
it is God Himself Who knows us, and has saved us, Who prevents us from turning away from Him.
He knows we're prone to wander... yet even this is in His capable hands.
The word 'faith' and the word 'belief' are the same Greek word 'pistis'.
You can translate every occurrence of 'pistis' in the New Testament as 'believe', if you wish.
I believe that the word 'faith' arises from a translation of the Koine Greek into Latin. When the English translation of the Latin occurs, the Greek word 'pistis' can become 'faith'.
Regardless of the process of the translation. God has enacted salvation only on the basis of that belief in Jesus.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty.
Your confusing the Christian walk with the actual mechanism of salvation.
Salvation is a gift!
Salvation cannot be acquired through good works, or anything else.
Pistis means trust or belief.
To believe in Jesus is identical to trusting in Jesus.
You can translate every occurrence of 'pistis' in the New Testament as 'believe', if you wish.
I believe that the word 'faith' arises from a translation of the Koine Greek into Latin. When the English translation of the Latin occurs, the Greek word 'pistis' can become 'faith'.
Regardless of the process of the translation. God has enacted salvation only on the basis of that belief in Jesus.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18
The one who believes in Him is not judged; the one who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty.
Your confusing the Christian walk with the actual mechanism of salvation.
Salvation is a gift!
Salvation cannot be acquired through good works, or anything else.
Pistis means trust or belief.
To believe in Jesus is identical to trusting in Jesus.
-
1
- Show all
I feel like I am beating a dead horse
your wrong. I can have a belief is something yet not trust that something. there are many examples. far to many to show.
The fact is, if I just believe, yet do not have faith. I am not saved.
example of this is I believe in jesus and the cross. But I do not trust the gospel so I add works.. The Jews who were trying to add the law to grace believed in Jesus.l but they did not trust him. there faith is in themselves.
another example of this is one who believes in jesus. but do not trust him, they do not believe they are sinners. they do not believe God will condemn them, and they think if they just say a prayer. they are saved and can liver however they want because they believe. These are the people James were confronting in james 2.
your wrong. I can have a belief is something yet not trust that something. there are many examples. far to many to show.
The fact is, if I just believe, yet do not have faith. I am not saved.
example of this is I believe in jesus and the cross. But I do not trust the gospel so I add works.. The Jews who were trying to add the law to grace believed in Jesus.l but they did not trust him. there faith is in themselves.
another example of this is one who believes in jesus. but do not trust him, they do not believe they are sinners. they do not believe God will condemn them, and they think if they just say a prayer. they are saved and can liver however they want because they believe. These are the people James were confronting in james 2.
Also, Paul said the branch "COULD" be broken off, he didn't say it "WILL" be broken off. Basically, don't be arrogant or boastful about your situation of being Saved by Faith alone... I mean, why would he ditch the Jews who were a works based salvation group and illuminate the gentiles with the real truth, and make that truth one of works again? it makes no sense.
Believers don't have to talk about Good Works, they are a natural occurrence after being Saved. Really, what is a good work? Giving a cold guy your coat? Giving a hungry guy food? in this modern world it could be a number of things. The problem is with work based Salvation guys like you, you want to tally up your good works or remember them or boast about them... just react as things are presented to you in everyday life... God will give you opportunities to do good works.
There is no measuring stick, there is no formula for how many you have to do. Look at the old granny who dropped one pebble in the collection plate.. Jesus said she gave more of herself than anyone else.
Stop overthinking it and just Get Saved!
Believers don't have to talk about Good Works, they are a natural occurrence after being Saved. Really, what is a good work? Giving a cold guy your coat? Giving a hungry guy food? in this modern world it could be a number of things. The problem is with work based Salvation guys like you, you want to tally up your good works or remember them or boast about them... just react as things are presented to you in everyday life... God will give you opportunities to do good works.
There is no measuring stick, there is no formula for how many you have to do. Look at the old granny who dropped one pebble in the collection plate.. Jesus said she gave more of herself than anyone else.
Stop overthinking it and just Get Saved!
-
2
- Show all