Justified by work vs faith

[soggykitten]

Seal mean protected, or save

So seal mean save or inherit the kingdom
That mean not seal = not save


When you murder you not inherit the ke

Back to Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

You might consider those verses and acts pertain to those whom Paul is describing, those who are unrepentant and committing those sins.

John 3:33 - He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Ephesians 1:13-14

13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,to the praise of his glory.

 

[Blik]

I see that you could not produce a Bible verse that says, “not sealed anymore.”

In Galatians 5:21, other translations say those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 gives us a similar list of sins and states that the unrighteous who are characterized by such sins will not inherit the kingdom of God. In verse 11, we read - And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

So it’s the unrighteous/unbelievers who practice such things and not believers. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (NASB)

If I am following your line of thinking, then you belief that if you have been forgiven by Christ of your sins you may then go ahead with sinning? I think scripture tells us that we are to give our will to sin to Christ when we ask forgiveness. I think that is what scripture means by repent, and often the command to repent is given with telling us Christ forgives.

You say no one that is born of God practices sin, but if you look around you it shows people who were once Christian and have decided not o be any more. The Lord is truth, and we can check on our understanding of that truth by seeing how it works in our world. To say that once a Christian always a Christian is to deny that Christians are still given free choice.

 

[Jackson123]

Rom 6.17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye HAVE obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine ( the gospel ) which was delivered you.
1 cor 15

We were servant of sin

Were, pastent, not anymore

Who deliver you

According to this verse,

Ye have OBEYED.................

Murder is not obey. Must repent turn to obeye

 

[Jackson123]

We also grieve our Parents when we mess up . But we still remain their child . Are we more loving than God ?

Depend oN what kind of parent. In my country a Lot of muslim when they Convert to Christ. Disown by they parent.

When Adam and eve disobeye the Lord they and they offspring drive out from the garden

 

[Jackson123]

So it’s the unrighteous/unbelievers who practice such things and not believers. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (NASB)

Like I say If you seal you go to heaven mean not seal not go to heaven

Murder not go to heaven, So murder must repent or not seal

You believe only non believer commit sin?

You don't believe saved may commit sin?

 

[Jackson123]

You might consider those verses and acts pertain to those whom Paul is describing, those who are unrepentant and committing those sins.

John 3:33 - He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true

John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

Ephesians 1:13-14

13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,to the praise of his glory.

If you believe in Him you Seal

But you may believe for a year and stop believe.

Stop believe> stop seal

Let Remember the story of Adam and eve

As long as they obey and not Eat forbiden fruit they guarantee stay in the Garden of Eden

Stop obey stop guarantee and out from the garden

 

[Nehemiah6]

Murder is not obey.

Why do you pick exclusively on murder?

In any event I believe that what you are suggesting is (a) Christians must be sinless otherwise (b) they will lose their salvation the minute the commit any sin. Well you certainly did not derive that from Scripture.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If I am following your line of thinking, then you belief that if you have been forgiven by Christ of your sins you may then go ahead with sinning?

No genuine Christian believes or teaches this nonsense. By the same token Christian can sin, therefore they are exhorted to not sin, and to also stop sinning. They were once sinners, but now they are saints and must live as saints -- soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world.

 

[Jackson123]

Why do you pick exclusively on murder?

In any event I believe that what you are suggesting is (a) Christians must be sinless otherwise (b) they will lose their salvation the minute the commit any sin. Well you certainly did not derive that from Scripture.

Not only murder, and I certainly drive by this scripture
To make It short I am not repeat all that say in this verse

Do you believe this verse as a Word of God that can be trust? Or you think this verse Lie?

Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jackson123]

No genuine Christian believes or teaches this nonsense. By the same token Christian can sin, therefore they are exhorted to not sin, and to also stop sinning. They were once sinners, but now they are saints and must live as saints -- soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world.

You say
Christian can sin

But Christian must stop sin

So you agree every time Christian sin, must repent?

You say No genuine Christian believe this nonsense teaching

In my church people believe when you are christians, murder or what ever sin oN the list of Galatians 5 Will not make you lose your salvation , only lose your reward

 

[Nehemiah6]

In my church people believe when you are christians, murder or what ever sin oN the list of Galatians 5 Will not make you lose your salvation, only lose your reward

Salvation is NOT a license to sin. Therefore you must ask your pastors or elders to teach the truth of this matter to the congregation. And if you are given the opportunity, you must do so personally.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do you believe this verse as a Word of God that can be trust? Or you think this verse Lie?

Definitely not. That is a whole list of sins including murder. And Christians are forbidden to commit these sins.

 

[throughfaith]

Can you show me which Bible verse says, “not sealed anymore?”

No he can't ,but that

Depend oN what kind of parent. In my country a Lot of muslim when they Convert to Christ. Disown by they parent.

When Adam and eve disobeye the Lord they and they offspring drive out from the garden

When painting the windows its best to use an undercoat then gloss . Yes that had no relevance to what you said , just as your comment had no relevance to what I said ?

 

[Jackson123]

Salvation is NOT a license to sin. Therefore you must ask your pastors or elders to teach the truth of this matter to the congregation. And if you are given the opportunity, you must do so personally.

I am only regular member, but oN bible study where they call It interaction bible study, member like me have opportunity to say or question or object what ever they teach. And I did object this teaching. I don't know If people believe this verse or not.

 

[Jackson123]

Definitely not. That is a whole list of sins including murder. And Christians are forbidden to commit these sins.

Than you believe Christian that do this list If sin not inherit the kingdom or repent

 

[Jackson123]

No he can't ,but that

When painting the windows its best to use an undercoat then gloss . Yes that had no relevance to what you said , just as your comment had no relevance to what I said ?

You question me If a son disobey their parent is he still his son?

I say some people disown his son. It happen to a Lot of muslim parent when his son Convert to Christian.

Why you say irelevant?

Is posible parent disown his son

Yes

Where the irelevan come from

God drive out Adam from the Garden when he disobey

God say
Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I know you don't believe this verse my brother,

You say imposible to God put murder to hell If that murder ever Being christian

 

[throughfaith]

Seal mean protected, or save

So seal mean save or inherit the kingdom
That mean not seal = not save


When you murder you not inherit the ke

Back to Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Sealed in the context of those verses is to do with God The Holy Spirit sealing a believer AFTER !!!! ( ephesians 1.13 ) He is saved from the penalty of sin by receiving Jesus and the atonement through believing the Gospel . Then !!!! we are sealed as a GUARANTEE being ALSO PREDESTINED to Guaranteed Adoption romans 8.23 .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Rom 8

29For whom he did foreknow,( After we believe) he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, ( future Guaranteed ) that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31¶What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37¶Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.7

 

[Jackson123]

Sealed in the context of those verses is to do with God The Holy Spirit sealing a believer AFTER !!!! ( ephesians 1.13 ) He is saved from the penalty of sin by receiving Jesus and the atonement through believing the Gospel . Then !!!! we are sealed as a GUARANTEE being ALSO PREDESTINED to Guaranteed Adoption romans 8.23 .
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Rom 8

29For whom he did foreknow,( After we believe) he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, ( future Guaranteed ) that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31¶What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37¶Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.7

So you believe If a person sealed by Holy spirit, not able to do sin anymore

Seal from sining or sealed from hell?

What happen If that person doing one of These sin

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[throughfaith]

You question me If a son disobey their parent is he still his son?

I say some people disown his son. It happen to a Lot of muslim parent when his son Convert to Christian.

Why you say irelevant?

Is posible parent disown his son

Yes

Where the irelevan come from

God drive out Adam from the Garden when he disobey

God say
Galatians 5
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I know you don't believe this verse my brother,

You say imposible to God put murder to hell If that murder ever Being christian

Do you have access to more than one verse ?
How is Adam relevant ? Adam was prevented from taking from the tree of Life in his fallen condition, which you would not be here if he did. So it was done in God's mercy . Adam went on to follow God after was fruitful and multiplied evidenced also by you being here also . You exist because you were born of the flesh . In order to be a child of God ( unlike Adam ) you need to be born again ( John 3
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.)

 

[throughfaith]

So you believe If a person sealed by Holy spirit, not able to do sin anymore

Seal from sining or sealed from hell?

What happen If that person doing one of These sin

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now you are trolling .